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empirical vs molecular

Postby Holland Smith 3C » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:01 pm

I am still a little confused on the difference between the two. is the difference between the formulas that the empirical will have whole numbers (coefficients) is used when writing a balanced chemical equation, vs. molecular shows how many atoms of each element are needed to create a balanced chemical equation?

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Re: empirical vs molecular  [ENDORSED]

Postby Nathan Sigel 2k » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:07 pm

The way I understood this concept best was to imagine that the empirical formula shows the correct ratio of atoms in a compound, whereas the molecular formula shows the actual number of atoms in a compound.

Take glucose, for example. Its molecular formula is C6H12O6. This means that it takes 6 carbon atoms, 12 hydrogen atoms, and 6 oxygen atoms to physically make 1 glucose molecule. The empirical formula, however, is CH2O, as it displays the ratio of atoms to one another. This does not mean that it takes only 1 carbon, 2 hydrogen, and 1 oxygen to make a molecule of glucose, but that that it is the simplest ratio of the atoms to one another. Often the empirical formula is used as a stepping stone to find the molecular formula of an unknown compound.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Quynhanh Nguyen 1C » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:09 pm

Hi Holland!

The empirical formula is the lowest possible ratio between atoms whereas the molecular formula is the actual composition of a molecule. For instance, the empirical formula of ethane is CH3. It ONLY tells you the ratio between carbon and hydrogen in ethane but cannot be used in a balanced chemical reaction.

The molecular formula of ethane is C2H6 (multiply the empirical formula by 2). This is what you would use in a reaction with ethane. Both empirical and molecular formulas use whole numbers. Hope this helps! :)

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby 405669838 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:45 pm

The molecular formula shows soles the ratio of the elements. For example the equation CH2O shows the ratio is 1:2:1. however, this is not the actual number of elements present in the compound. In reality, the actual equation is C6H12O6. It has the same ratio of elements, but in different numbers. To find the molecular formula you need to be given or know the molar mass of that specific compound.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby 305561744 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:23 pm

Is there a reason behind the empirical formula being referred to as "empirical"? If anything, it should be the other way around, since "empirical" (to my understanding) means observable and factual, when in reality it's something of a shorthand.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Melody_Tapia_1J » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:28 pm

So the molecular formula is how many atoms each element of the formula actually has. While the empirical formula is the formula you get when you simplify the ratio of atoms in the molecular formula.

example:

Molecular formula Empirical Formula
P₄ O₁₀ P₂ O₅

See how the empirical formula simplified the 4:10 ratio from the molecular formula to 2:5

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Ananya Sridharan » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:33 pm

Empirical formula relates to the proportion of the different types of atoms in a molecule whereas the molecular formula is the exact number of atoms of each element in a molecule. Take the example C6H18O3. That would be the molecular formula because that is the exact number of atoms of each element in the molecule. The empirical formula would be C3H6O because we are dividing by greatest common factor to find the proportions.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Emma Goellner 2I » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:34 pm

The empirical formula provides the smallest ratio of elements in a given compound using whole numbers. For instance, the empirical formula for C6H12O6 would be CH2O. For every one carbon atom, there are two (or twice as many) hydrogen atoms, and one oxygen atom. The ratio is 1:2:1. C6H12O6 is considered the molecular formula, since it gives the total number of atoms of each element in the compound.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Lizzy Bulla 3K » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:48 pm

I like to think about the empirical formula as the lowest possible ratio of atoms in a molecule. The molecular formula is any multiple of that same ratio

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby 905767718 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:06 pm

An empirical formula is one that shows the minimum multiple of atoms required to create a molecule and others like it of larger multiples. As someone already mentioned, glucose is represented by C6H12O6 whereas its empirical formula is CH2O. The reason we categorize the empirical formula and molecular formula as separate is because there are other carbon based macromolecules that follow the CH2O empirical formula, just at different multiples than glucose. The molecular formula simply dictates the actual identity of a molecule rather than the multiples that we can use to create it.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Ana Luiza S » Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:33 pm

The empirical formula is the simplest ratio between all the atoms in a molecule. The molecular formula is the actual number of atoms in the molecule. The empirical formula has that name because it's what you would get experimentally if you measured the mass % composition of the compound using a spectrometer.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Tyler Olson 1E » Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:58 am

The empirical formula is the simplest ratio of each element in a molecule. One thing to keep in mind is that the molecular and empirical formulas can be the same but you have to look at the atomic mass of the molecule to see if that is the case.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Macy_Anderson_2F » Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:46 pm

The molecular formula is a chemical formula for molecules that displays the number of atoms in each molecule with subscripted integers. This number is either calculated or given to you. The empirical formula is the simplest form of the molecular formula. You can find this number by dividing the subscripts in the molecular formula by their lowest common denominator. For example, the molecular formula of glucose is C6H12O6 and if you divide the subscripts by 6 (the LCD) you get CH2O, which is the empirical formula.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Madison Kiggins 1E » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:30 pm

The empirical formula is the simplest ratio between the atoms that make up a molecule. The molecular formula on the other hand gives the actual number of atoms in the molecule. For example, glucose has a molecular formula of C6H12O6, which is a 1:2:1 ratio. The empirical formula is the simplified version of this ratio which is CH2O.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Ameen Shaheen 2I » Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:24 pm

In short, the empirical formula asserts the most basic ratio-rationale of the compound while the molecular formula adheres to a given molar mass or ideal molar mass given.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Jieun 2C » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:11 pm

Empirical formula shows the simplest whole number ratio of elements while molecular formulas shows the actual ratio of elements. The molecular formulation has the correct molar mass of the element when calculated.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby 205282258 » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:06 pm

Hi Holland! Empirical formulas have the lowest whole numbers as coefficients while still showing the correct ratio of elements. Molecular formulas show the actual number of elements that naturally occur(has correct molar mass).

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Gabby Burgess 2I » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:12 pm

Hi there! Empirical formulas are basically the general numbers of atoms per mole but molecular formulas give the exact number of atoms for the amount of moles given.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Jaden Nguyen 2A » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:49 pm

Empirical formulas describe the simplest ratio of the atoms in a molecule. For example, CO2 is both in it's empirical and molecular formula. The molecular formula is the KNOWN formula of the molecule, but the empirical would be a simplified form like fractions.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Rhea Jain 2I » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:53 pm

I think a good way of comparing the two is to remember that the molecular formula is a multiple of the empirical formula. This is because the empirical formula gives you the most simplified ratio of the atoms in a compound while the molecular formula gives you the actual number of atoms. Hope this helps!

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Samantha Quevedo 2L » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:57 pm

The empirical formula is the simplified mole number ratio. The molecular formula gives you the exact amount of atoms that are present of each element in the molecule of a compound. Additionally the molecular formula should have a ratio that should add up to the appropriate molar mass and that is how you can double check if your molecular mass is correct.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Amanda Dankberg 1B » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:10 pm

The empirical formula only gives the simplest ratio of the number of atoms in a compound whereas the molecular formula gives the actual number of atoms in the compound. The molecular one is the one needed to form a balanced chemical equation.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby DArcy Perlman 1C » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:17 pm

The empirical formula doesn't give you much information and is really just commonly used to find the molecular formula and show you what elements are within the compound in the correct ratio. The molecular formula gives you the number of atoms that are actually needed for a molecule of the compound to be created, and you can derive the empirical formula from it by simplifying.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby AndreyCastellanos 3H » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:19 pm

The molecular formula is going to show the ACTUAL amount of atoms taking place in an equation while the Empirical formula is going to be like a Factored version of the same equation

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Aya Watson 2B » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:37 pm

Hi Holland! With empirical formulas, you can think of them as factored molecular formulas--they show the most reduced ratio of elements. Molecular formulas are the TRUE ratio of atoms in a compound, meaning it is not necessarily the most simplified version of a formula. However, empirical and molecular formulas can be the same. For example, H2O is both the empirical and molecular formula for water. You cannot simplify it further.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby 505739628 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:39 pm

The empirical formula is the ratio for the molecular formula, so they could technically be the same if the molecular formula has the lowest ratio between coefficients! In other words, the molecular formula is the actual number of each atom or molecule used in the reaction and the empirical formula is the ratio between the coefficients that we can calculate for when given percent mass compositions for the reaction. Hope this helps!

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby isabella garcia - 1G » Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:03 pm

The empirical formula shows you what elements make up the compound and the simplest ratio of each, whereas the molecular formula shows the actual number of atoms within the molecule.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Palig Kechichian 3F » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:46 pm

Empirical formula shows the simplest ratio of elements rather than the total number of atoms. Think of the molecular formula as a multiple of the empirical formula! Someone gave a great example using C6H12O6 :)

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Jamie Lau 2J » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:49 pm

The empirical formula gives the ratio of the atoms of each element (in simplest whole numbers). The molecular formula represents the actual number of atoms of each element.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby erud » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:50 pm

The way I think about the empirical formula is the smallest ratio of the structure of the molecule. The molecular formula always relies of the mass of the sample.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Sophia Dominguez 3I » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:22 am

Empirical formulas show the relative number of atoms while molecular formulas show the actual number of atoms. An empirical formula shows you two things: what the atoms are in that molecule and what their ratio is.

For example, the empirical formula of nitrogen is NO2. The ratio of nitrogen to oxygen atoms is 1:2. The molecular formula of nitrogen is N2O4. There are 2 nitrogen atoms and 4 oxygen atoms.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Mahima Manoj 1F » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:14 am

Hii,
Empirical is just the relative number of atoms a molecule has. So it's the simplest ratio. Whereas the molecular formula shows the actual number of atoms and its a multiple of the empirical formula.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Rebecca Preusch 2C » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:25 am

Empirical is the lowest whole number ratio of the elements in a molecule. The molecular formula is the actual number of each atom in the molecule and will either be equal to or a multiple of the empirical formula.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby 205705413 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:03 am

The empirical formula is the lowest ratio of molecules per compound. The molecular formula is the actual formula of the compound.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Parinita Jithendra 2A » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:21 am

I look at it as the empirical formula would be the lowest ratio of the element composition, not necessarily the actual molecule. The molecular formula is more the actual molecule formula as it takes the molar mass into account!

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Akshat Katoch 2K » Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:41 pm

The empirical formula shows the lowest ratio of atoms in a compound, while the molecular formula shows the actual number of atoms in a compound.

Example:
Glucose's molecular formula is C6H12O6, which is the actual ratio of carbon to hydrogen to oxygen. However, CH2O is the empirical formula because that is the smallest whole number ratio of carbon to hydrogen to oxygen.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Claudia Longo 2J » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Holland Smith 3C wrote:I am still a little confused on the difference between the two. is the difference between the formulas that the empirical will have whole numbers (coefficients) is used when writing a balanced chemical equation, vs. molecular shows how many atoms of each element are needed to create a balanced chemical equation?

A good way to remember the difference between empirical and molecular formulas is that the empirical formula shows the lowest mole ratios among atoms in a molecule. However, whole numbers do not need to be used in a balanced equation. But the most likely situation is that you will be using the molecular formula when writing a balanced equation. The molecular formula displays the "realistic" molar ratio in a molecule, meaning the state that the molecule is naturally found in. But no, it does not necessarily refer to atoms needed to make a balanced equation. Try to ignore the "balanced chemical equation" part and I think you'll have a much easier time discerning the differences and similarities between the two types of formulas.

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Re: empirical vs molecular

Postby Kirsten Yu 2K » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:44 pm

The empirical formula shows the simplest (whole) number ratio of elements. Conversely, the molecular formula shows the actual ratio of elements in a given compound.


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