atm vs. bar?


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Tyra Nguyen 4H
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atm vs. bar?

Postby Tyra Nguyen 4H » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:33 am

What's the difference between atm and bar when calculating the equilibrium constant with pressure?

Tarika Gujral 1K
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Tarika Gujral 1K » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:16 am

Different units of measurement
Thus entails use of different value for R constant.

Shally Li 2C
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Shally Li 2C » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:19 am

Bar is the standard unit of pressure but 1 atm is equal to approximately 1.01 bar so when calculating equilibrium constant they are about the same.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Simran Rai 4E » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:30 am

Regarding pressure, they're both just units measurements. But if you wanted to figure out concentration you would need to use atm.
For example, if you're given partial pressure but the units are in bar and you want to use PV=nRT to find concentration (with volume given), you'd need to convert to atm because those are the units used in the R constant and therefore those would allow you to cancel out.

vaishali 1D
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby vaishali 1D » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:33 pm

They're different units of measure for pressure. It's essential that you identify the correct units in order to plug in the correct value for the R constant in PV=nRT.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Eruchi Okpara 2E » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:29 pm

There is a difference in the conversion formula that is used for both. I think its a difference in the R constant that is used for the formula PV=nRT.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Alexandra Albers 1D » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:18 pm

atm and bar are both units of measurements for the partial pressures of gases. If you have a problem where you need to find the equilibrium constant in partial pressures then you can leave the gases in either atm or bar (whichever they are given in). The only time that the difference becomes relevant in the problem is if you need the gases in concentrations and not partial pressures because you will need to change the value of R (the gas constant) depending on which unit you are in.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Bruce Chen 2H » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:45 pm

I believe that in the calculations that we are doing, we should use the unit that they give us... otherwise, I think they are interchangeable.

Karina Jiayu Xu 4E
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Karina Jiayu Xu 4E » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:20 pm

On the test I used bar and it was fine

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby isarose0 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:20 pm

bar is slightly more accurate than atm, by one percent

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby shaunajava2e » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:39 pm

they are both units of measurement for pressure and depending on your TA, both should be fine to use

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Millicent Navarro 1I » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:39 pm

Both atm and bar are units of partial pressures of gases! However, it's important you stick to just one or the other when calculating equilibrium constant with pressure.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Dayna Pham 1I » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:02 pm

Karina Jiayu Xu 4E wrote:On the test I used bar and it was fine


My TA said she would’ve accepted both atm and bar on the test, but I’ve also heard that atm is more standard.

Amar Singh
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Amar Singh » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:32 pm

Practically you can usually use both but you should definitely use whichever one is specified in the problem.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Edward Suarez 1I » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:10 pm

i had the same question but I realized that most of the problems that had bar in the question had the answer in bar too

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Esther Lee 4H » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:22 pm

im not sure if there's like a rule for it but it seems like we've been using bar way more than atm. they're both measuring pressure so I dont think there's a specific one you need to use but someone correct me if I'm wrong please

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Brian Kwak 1D » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:56 pm

I think the most important part for atm and bar is to be consistent with the units throughout the calculations so you don’t get points deducted. I would really pay attention to the wording of the problem if they give you atm then just use atm throughout your calculations. Consistency is important, that’s what I think also either atm or bar is acceptable from what I was told by my TA. The choice is really dependent on the information they give you and the units in the given information.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Anna O 2C » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:27 pm

They simply correspond with different values, but distinguishing between them is essential in order to use the correct R constant value.

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Xingzheng Sun 2K » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:12 am

So which one is the right unit for the equation PV=nRT?

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Jeannine 1I » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:42 pm

Xingzheng Sun 2K wrote:So which one is the right unit for the equation PV=nRT?

I'd say it depends on which unit the problem uses. Can anyone confirm this?

Lauren Huang 1H
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Lauren Huang 1H » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:19 pm

The units can be atm or bar depending on the problem. Note that this will change the value of R.

Shibhon_Shepard
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Shibhon_Shepard » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:22 pm

when calculating for R just use the 8.314 value

Nghi Nguyen 2L
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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby Nghi Nguyen 2L » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:33 pm

there isn't that much of a difference between them , just use the unit that the problem states and make sure your R value corresponds

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Re: atm vs. bar?

Postby jocelyntzeng » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:44 pm

you can easily convert between the two but just be careful to use the right R value corresponding


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