Approximations for ICE


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Approximations for ICE

Postby 705170809 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:17 pm

When can we use approximations like making (x-0.89) become just x?

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Arshiya » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:36 pm

In regards to equilibrium equations, you must see the K value when making an assumption. If the K value is less than 10^-3, then you can proceed using x. However, make sure you check your assumption with the 5% condition.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Cole Doolittle 2K » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:36 pm

You can use approximations if the Ka value is less than 1x10^-3. You should check to see that it was appropriate to use approximation by seeing if the equilibrium concentration is less than 5% of the initial concentration.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Jonathan Pai 2I » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:37 pm

When the k value is small, 10^-3 , because so little of the reactants go to products it is negligable.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby chris_tsai_4H » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:17 pm

If the value of K is less than 10^-3, then we can assume that the value is too small to have any impact and therefore we can assume that X minus any number becomes just x.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby isarose0 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:57 pm

When k is less than 10^-3

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Isabelle Fontanilla 1I » Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:04 pm

Given the K value, if K<<10^-3, then you may make the approximation. If K is not given, then make the approximation, but be sure to check if the value of x that you found is, indeed, less than 5% of the initial value(s)(concentration/partial pressure)of the components in the system. If x<5% of the initial value(s), then your approximation is valid. If you don't want to waste time verifying, you can always use the quadratic formula to solve for x without approximations(if you don't mind additional work, which might be less productive than the other method).

Also, if the initial value is 0, then the change, no matter how small, is significant, so no approximations should be made.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby RachelCheung1A » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:19 pm

when the K is less than 1x10-3, so if the K ends with 10^-4 or smaller. Ex 1.9x10^4 approximate but 1.9x10^-3 don't approximate

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Diana Sandoval 1K » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:47 pm

When K is less than 10^-3

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby allisoncarr1i » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:00 pm

The approximation can only be used if K is very small.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Anjali 4A » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:35 pm

Like everyone said, we make the approximation when K is small - less than 10^-3.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby 405021651 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:16 pm

when K is less than 10^3

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Tony Ong 3K » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:20 pm

as a means to check if your approximations are correct,
remember the 5% rule at the end!

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Anna O 2C » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:29 pm

To add on, make sure to always verify at the end that your approximation was less than 5% otherwise the approximation won't hold and you need to use the formula for finding roots.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Tony Chung 2I » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:01 pm

You can do this when your equilibrium constant value is less than 10^-3 because this value is extremely small.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Luis_Yepez_1F » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:44 pm

When K is less than 10^-3, you can just approximate. Always remember to prove the approximation using the 5% rule.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Pritish Patil 1K » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:58 pm

When the k value is less than 10^-3

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Aiden Atoori 1C » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:36 pm

I think when k is less than 10^-3

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Jack DeLeon 1B » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:07 pm

when k is less than 10^-3, then we can assume that x is small enough to not have an effect in the math

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby Aleeque Marselian 1A » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:57 pm

If the value of K is less than 10^-3 then the assumption can be made that x is very small and would be negligible.

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Re: Approximations for ICE

Postby jocelyntzeng » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:46 pm

K has to be very small so you can assume that x is very small


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