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Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:17 pm
by 705170809
When can we use approximations like making (x-0.89) become just x?

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:36 pm
by Arshiya
In regards to equilibrium equations, you must see the K value when making an assumption. If the K value is less than 10^-3, then you can proceed using x. However, make sure you check your assumption with the 5% condition.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:36 pm
by Cole Doolittle 2K
You can use approximations if the Ka value is less than 1x10^-3. You should check to see that it was appropriate to use approximation by seeing if the equilibrium concentration is less than 5% of the initial concentration.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:37 pm
by Jonathan Pai 2I
When the k value is small, 10^-3 , because so little of the reactants go to products it is negligable.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:17 pm
by chris_tsai_4H
If the value of K is less than 10^-3, then we can assume that the value is too small to have any impact and therefore we can assume that X minus any number becomes just x.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:57 pm
by isarose0
When k is less than 10^-3

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:04 pm
by Isabelle Fontanilla 1I
Given the K value, if K<<10^-3, then you may make the approximation. If K is not given, then make the approximation, but be sure to check if the value of x that you found is, indeed, less than 5% of the initial value(s)(concentration/partial pressure)of the components in the system. If x<5% of the initial value(s), then your approximation is valid. If you don't want to waste time verifying, you can always use the quadratic formula to solve for x without approximations(if you don't mind additional work, which might be less productive than the other method).

Also, if the initial value is 0, then the change, no matter how small, is significant, so no approximations should be made.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:19 pm
by RachelCheung1A
when the K is less than 1x10-3, so if the K ends with 10^-4 or smaller. Ex 1.9x10^4 approximate but 1.9x10^-3 don't approximate

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:47 pm
by Diana Sandoval 1K
When K is less than 10^-3

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:00 pm
by allisoncarr1i
The approximation can only be used if K is very small.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:35 pm
by Anjali 4A
Like everyone said, we make the approximation when K is small - less than 10^-3.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:16 pm
by 405021651
when K is less than 10^3

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:20 pm
by Tony Ong 3K
as a means to check if your approximations are correct,
remember the 5% rule at the end!

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:29 pm
by Anna O 2C
To add on, make sure to always verify at the end that your approximation was less than 5% otherwise the approximation won't hold and you need to use the formula for finding roots.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:01 pm
by Tony Chung 2I
You can do this when your equilibrium constant value is less than 10^-3 because this value is extremely small.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:44 pm
by Luis_Yepez_1F
When K is less than 10^-3, you can just approximate. Always remember to prove the approximation using the 5% rule.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:58 pm
by Pritish Patil 1K
When the k value is less than 10^-3

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:36 pm
by Aiden Atoori 1C
I think when k is less than 10^-3

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:07 pm
by Jack DeLeon 1B
when k is less than 10^-3, then we can assume that x is small enough to not have an effect in the math

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:57 pm
by Aleeque Marselian 1A
If the value of K is less than 10^-3 then the assumption can be made that x is very small and would be negligible.

Re: Approximations for ICE

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:46 pm
by jocelyntzeng
K has to be very small so you can assume that x is very small