Units for Pressure
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Units for Pressure
When calculating for pressure, or using pressure in the ideal gas equation, should we always convert to pascals or can be leave it in the form of bar or atm?
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Re: Units for Pressure
You can use either bar or atm, pascals are not preferred because they do not have a gas constant like atm or bar, which are .08206 L.atm.K(-1).mol(-1) and .08314 L.bar.K(-1).mol(-1), respectively.
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Re: Units for Pressure
I don't think the unit of pressure should must be in atm. I think just using same units in calculation would be fine.
R=8.314 J mol-1 K-1=0.08205 L atm mol-1 K-1=62.363 mmHg L mol-1 K-1
R=8.314 J mol-1 K-1=0.08205 L atm mol-1 K-1=62.363 mmHg L mol-1 K-1
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Re: Units for Pressure
Hi! I believe because the Standard unit for pressure is atm, we usually have to leave most answers units of atm.
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Re: Units for Pressure
I recall hearing that 1 bar and 1 atm are essentially the same, therefore they are interchangeable, but that we will use atm.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Is there any case where we won't use atm? Such as having to change the final answer into Pa (Pascal) or kPa?
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Re: Units for Pressure
I wouldn't think that there would be any situation where we need to convert to Pascals since Lavelle didn't talk about that unit at all. I think its important to just read the question and figure out what units they want their final answer in.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Don't convert to pascals. We use atm or barr in these problems involving pressure, so there is no need for conversion.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Maddie Turk Disc 2C wrote:So do we ever need to convert to pascals or will it always be in atm.
I don't think we will have to convert to pascals since Dr. Lavelle hasn't mentioned it yet. We will most likely be given atm or bar units for pressure.
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Re: Units for Pressure
We will be using atm. As Dr. Lavelle stated in lecture, 1 bar is very close to 1 atm, so for our purposes we can just use atm.
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Re: Units for Pressure
We usually use atm for units as it is part of the SI system. Bar is not, and so we usually convert bar to atm unless the problem asks us to use bar specifically.
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Re: Units for Pressure
like most I agree that the standard unit for pressure = atm, I know you've been getting Atm and bar, but I think atm is the correct unit
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Re: Units for Pressure
Along with everyone else I believe it should be in atm, however, it could vary on what units the question asks you to convert to.
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Professor Lavelle said to use the atm for pressure. He said that it’s not too different and he prefers atm since it’s been around longer.
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Re: Units for Pressure
I usually convert to atm because of the given R constant (that uses atm). Since it will probably be given on the constants sheet, it'll be helpful converting to atm.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Hi! I believe the unit should be atm, I do not think we have to convert to pascals.
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Re: Units for Pressure
I believe it is with respect to the problem and what units they give, sometimes it can give mmHg or atm or torr, but take it with a grain of salt, you should ask a TA this question
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Re: Units for Pressure
Hello! I agree with the previous posts. We need to use atm so the units cancel out properly.
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Re: Units for Pressure
I agree, I think because Lavelle has only used atm we should be using atm as the units for pressure unless we learn otherwise.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Its probably best to leave it in ATM right now or for possibly the entire class but really each one of them has its own R value in the ideal gas law which you can search up or calculate just using the conversion factor (Although that method kinda takes away the whole point of leaving it in another unit). Just make sure not to use the wrong unit with the wrong R value and convert at the end to the unit the question is asking for.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Generally, atm is the most commonly used unit when it comes to these kinds of problems. But there are different values of R in the ideal gas equation that would accommodate for different units of pressure.
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Re: Units for Pressure
I'm pretty sure we use atm because its units line up with the R value we are given on the equation sheet so the units can cancel, but in the lecture he said that 1 atm is also pretty close to 1 bar if you're wondering.
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Re: Units for Pressure
Convert to ATM, so that the units cancel when plugging into the equation. Hope this helps!
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Re: Units for Pressure
Dr. Lavelle said that bar is technically the correct unit but since atm is so close to bar you can use atm!
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Re: Units for Pressure
From Andrew's discussion section he said that we can use either bars or atm, but if something is in Pascals, you would need to convert it back to atm usually!
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Re: Units for Pressure
Okay, thank you for letting us know! Does anyone know if for the test if we are expected to know how to convert from Barr to atm or atm to pascals? I'm not sure if it was mentioned in the section outline or if this was just for practice on the homework and such.
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