Midterm 2 Question

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Midterm 2 Question

Postby KDeguzman_Dis3K » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:53 pm

On Midterm 2, there was one question based on intermolecular forces and how it relates to boiling/melting points (I think it was the last question). Could someone please explain how you can tell which substance would have a higher or lower boiling/melting point? I had trouble with this midterm question.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Ishpreet Kaur 3C » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:57 pm

The stronger the intermolecular forces, the more difficult those forces are to break apart, which would increase the boiling/melting points. For example, a molecule with dipole-dipole, hydrogen bonding, and London interactions would have a higher boiling/melting point than a molecule with just London interactions.

You can figure out which interactions occur for a molecule by determining it's VSEPR structure. If it's polar, you know dipole-dipole interactions take place. If there's a hydrogen bonded to a NOF molecule, then you know hydrogen bonding interactions take place. All molecules have London forces present as electron density continually fluctuates.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby KatieFrancisco1F » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:58 pm

Molecules with stronger bonds are going to have higher boiling points because it takes more energy to make it boil (same with melting) as opposed to weaker bonds that break easier. You would need to draw out the molecules to determine which bonds are present. Shape of the molecule can also play a role in the strength of the molecule. Rounder molecules will be easier to boil as their intermolecular forces are weaker than that of molecules with a more stretched out shape.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby 14b_student 2E » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:06 pm

The stronger the bond, the higher the melting point.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Caitlin Beale 3E » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:10 pm

If you remember the order of the strength of intermolecular forces: Hydrogen bonds> dipole> london dispersion forces. You can use this guide to figure out which one will have the highest boiling point because changing from the liquid to the gas phase is essentially a breaking of intermolecular forces. Therefore, the stronger the force between the molecules, the higher the boiling / melting point.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Amy Huynh 1B » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:24 pm

For these questions we would need to know the relative strengths of the intermolecular forces. For example, if one compound was able to form H-bonds and LDF while the other compound was only able to form LDFs, the compound that is able to form H-bonds would have a higher melting/boiling point because it takes more energy for H-bonds to be broken.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby madeleinewright » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:30 pm

Stronger intermolecular forces between molecules will result in a higher melting/boiling point. For example, molecules with hydrogen bonding or dipole-dipole bonding will have a higher melting/boiling point than molecules with just London dispersion forces.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby erud » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:36 pm

You can look back to intramolecular forces, and the orders of bond strength(london dispersion, hydrogen bonds), to know that the stronger the bond, the higher the melting point.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Julia Todorov 2F » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:22 pm

the stronger the intermolecular forces, the higher the boiling point. for example if you had two non polar molecules with only london dispersion forces, the one with more molar mass (or just bigger) would have the stronger london dispersion force, and in turn a higher boiling point

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby mmcqueen » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:26 pm

The basics that you need to know if the intramolecular forces, and the orders of bond strength. For example, london dispersion is the weakest IMF force while hydrogen bonds is the strongest. Then, you can interpret that the stronger the bond, the higher the melting and boiling point of the element.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Furkan Acar 3C » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:28 pm

You simply needed to figure out which of the given had the strongest bond. Once you did that, you can pretty much just assume that the one with the stronger bond has a higher boiling point. Hope this helps. Also, hope everyone did good on the midterm :)

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Brianna Mercado 3D » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:36 pm

stronger bond=stronger melting point

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Divya Mehta 2K » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:39 pm

Sure! So stronger intermolecular forces result in a higher melting point (meaning it is harder to melt/boil as the molecules are held together with more strength, so they require more energy/more heat to break). There are interactions such as ion-ion, dipole-dipole, hydrogen-bonding, etc which can result in higher melting/boiling points

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Milli Zunich 3I » Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:57 pm

The ones with stronger bonds have a higher melting point.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Maham Kazmi 2J » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:11 pm

Stronger bonds essentially mean that the melting point is higher. This is because more energy/heat is needed to break the intermolecular forces allowing the solid to transition to a liquid. In terms of bond strength, triple bonds are the strongest while single bonds are the weakest.

Relating the question to recent lectures: there are two pi bonds and one sigma bond in a triple bond whereas the single bond is only a sigma bond.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby trevina_brown_2A » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:36 pm

Higher melting points can be an indicator of which ones have stronger bonds

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Narin Maisha 2H » Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:43 pm

You can tell a boiling point by determining the structure. You will be able to find the bond strength out through this and the stronger the bond the higher the boiling point. This means that the opposite is also true, the weaker the bond, the lower the boiling point.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Jillian Sarquiz- 2B » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:06 pm

Molecules that have stronger bonds have higher boiling points since it is hard to break those bonds.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby AJackman » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:07 pm

Possible order of operations for figuring out a problem like this:
1. Draw Lewis structure
2. Determine all the IMFs present (sometimes identifying the VESPR structure is helpful, as it can tell you whether or not the molecule is polar)
3. Find the molecule with the strongest IMF
SO: Stronger IMF/bond ---> greater electronegativity ----> requires more energy to break ------> higher boiling point & melting point

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby AJackman » Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:10 pm

Also, where can we find practice problems of this type? I also had some trouble with them on the midterm.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Esther Kim » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:21 pm

The stronger the bond the higher the melting point

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Valerie M Dis 2E » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:28 pm

The stronger the bond is, the higher the melting point is. It takes more energy (heat) to break the bonds when the bonds are stronger.

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Re: Midterm 2 Question

Postby Wenhan Li_3d » Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:02 pm

The stronger the bond, the higher the melting point.


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