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Free Energy

Postby Melissa Solis 1H » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:06 pm

Can someone explain what a state function is again and why free energy is a state function?

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Faith Veenker 2K » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:59 pm

A state function only depends on start and ending states, not the path taken. Free energy is a state function because it doesn't matter how the free energy gets from one value to another, it just matters where it starts and ends up. This is different from "path" functions like heat and work. Hope this helps!

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Re: Free Energy

Postby SamanthaTolentino 3D » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:22 am

A state function does not depend on the path taken to the final value/destination. Typically with state functions, we only care about the final-initial values since it is not dependent on the pathway taken.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby 805295074 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:14 am

State functions depend on final and initial states.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Chris 1C » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:22 am

State functions only depend on final and initial states and do not care about the pathway that it took to get there. Free energy is a state function because it satisfies that requirement.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Aarushi Verma 2I » Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:40 am

A state function is where the value doesn't depend on the path taken to get there, but only the final and initial values. Free energy is a state function because we only need the final and initial values to find the change and determine whether the reaction is spontaneous.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Grecia Velasco 1G » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:07 am

Melissa Solis 1H wrote:Can someone explain what a state function is again and why free energy is a state function?


For a state function, the path you took to get the your values does not matter so you can only take into consideration your final and initial values.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Andy Hon 3E » Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:28 pm

You must look at the final and initial states

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Re: Free Energy

Postby MCalcagnie_ 1D » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:27 pm

State functions only really focus on the initial and final states, or values. They aren't concerned with the path to get there. Free energy is a state function because we only care about and needs the initial and final states to calculate change.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby IshanModiDis2L » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:08 pm

The state function does not depend on the path taken to the final value or state, only the starting and ending states.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby KhanTran3K » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:11 pm

Hey a state function only considers the initial and final states of a reaction or value, so the "path" taken to get to a certain point doesn't matter only if the initial and final states are the same. With this, free energy is a state function in that the change in free energy for a reaction will not change no matter how we manipulate the work or path to get there. This shows us how certain reactions can be spontaneous or not.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Stephen Min 1I » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:36 pm

Similar to enthalpy and entropy, free energy is a state function as it only requires the final and initial values.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Namita Shyam 3G » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:23 am

A state function is something that does not depend on the "journey" taken to go from initial to final state. Therefore, a state function is simply the difference between initial and final state. Some examples of state functions are ∆S, ∆H, and ∆G. An example of something that is not a state function is work, because work depends on the path (work is proportional to distance an object is moved, for example).

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Re: Free Energy

Postby George Hernandez 3I » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:08 pm

State functions are primarily focused on start and end states. The "path" taken is irrelavent.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby aashmi_agrawal_3d » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:28 pm

State functions only depend on the initial and final states and the path that was taken does not matter. Free energy is a state function since it is defined by other state functions H and S.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Justin Lin 1B » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:48 pm

State functions are only dependent on their final and initial states, so the pathway through those states isn't important.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Pranav Daggubati 3C » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:54 pm

A state function is one where the path of the change doesn't affect anything, just the start and the end.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Brian_Wu_3B » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:24 am

State functions do not depend on the path taken to get to them. State functions can be added and subtracted. Delta G is a state function because it is defined by state functions.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Carly_Lipschitz_3H » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:21 am

A state function only cares about the final and initial states and doesn't take into account the path taken. Free energy is a state function because only the final and initial values of free energy are what matters.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Gian Boco 2G » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:08 pm

State functions only depend on the beginning (initial state) and the last (final) state, regardless of what happens in between.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby 705383815 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:10 pm

Non-state functions depend on the path taken by reactants in various forms. For example, the total work exerted by a system relies on all of the work done at every point in the process. This result is not net but cumulative.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Presley Gao 2C » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:11 pm

A state function is a function that does not depend on the path that is taken to get the final value. Free energy is a state function because only the initial and final values matter - the path taken does not, however.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Gustavo_Chavez_1K » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:03 am

A state function is a function that doesn't depend on the path taken to get to a final answer, as long as this function begins and ends with the same value. Free energy is a state function as the path taken to to get to the final value does not really matter.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Taha 2D » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am

a state function is one in which the pathway of the energy is not important, rather where it begins and ends

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Susan Chamling 1F » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:08 am

State functions do not rely on a pathway but rather the final and initial states.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Elizabeth Kaplan 3I » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:22 am

A state function is when the path taken does not matter; in other words, only the final and initial states matter. Free energy is a state function because we only need the values of the free energies of the products and reactants to determine if the reaction is spontaneous (whether the difference between the products and reactants is negative or not).

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Aliya Roserie 3I » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:18 am

State functions is when u can simply solve a problem by observing the final state minus the initial state.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby sophie esherick 3H » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:29 am

Like other students stated above, state functions are independent of the path taken which means that to get the value of the change of the state function you only need to subject the initial state from the final state. Free energy is a state function because it does not matter what path it took to end up in its final state (we can use the free energy values of the products and reactants to see if a reaction is spontaneous).

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Muskaan Abdul-Sattar » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:40 am

For a state function, the path taken does not matter. You look solely at the final and initial values.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Javier Perez M 1H » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:59 am

In a sense, it's like looking at exothermal and endothermal graphs where we only focus on the initial and final states.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Aria Movassaghi 1A » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:57 pm

State functions are path independent meaning only starting and ending values are important and this is the case with free energy.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Jason Knight - 1F » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:00 pm

A state function tells us that when calculating the only values of importance are the initial and final values. The example commonly used to explain this concept was describing the pathway taken-up a hill. In summary, state functions only take into consideration the starting and ending points, and not the pathway, whether direct or indirect, that it took to get there.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Mursall M 2A » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:15 pm

A state function is something that does not depend on the path taken, and only depends on the final and initial states! Free energy is a state function because no matter what path it takes, it will always be the same value, as it only focuses on final vs initial states. When something is a state function, it also means it is additive, which is why you can find the delta G of a reaction by calculating the standard delta G's of the products - standard delta G's of the reactants.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby apurva-3E » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:10 pm

State functions depend on the starting and end states

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Dominic Benna 2E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:39 pm

State functions are independent of the path taken, so their values are only dependent on the starting and ending values.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Shruti Kulkarni 2I » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:22 pm

A state function only depends on the final and initial values, it doesn't care about the "path" taken to get there. Free energy is a state function because it follows these restrictions.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby aashmi_agrawal_3d » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:53 pm

State functions are not affected by the path taken and only depend on the initial and final states.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Sharon Kim 2A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:38 pm

State function does not depend on the path taken. Meaning that the only thing that matters is the final and initial state of the property. That's why when you are given the standard values of Gibb's free energy, you are able to do products - reactants.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Ethan Goode 2H » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:47 pm

State function only cares about the start and the end levels, not how they got there. Temperature, for example, is a state function, but work is not as more work may be done than just getting to start and end.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Britney Tran IJ » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:25 am

state functions dont depend on the path taken, just the final and initial results

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Nina Fukui 2J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:56 am

I believe state functions depend on only final and initial states so free enrgy would match that definition. Whereas other functions like work and heat do depend on the process it took to get to the final state.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Mingzi Yang 1E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:20 pm

State functions depend on both the initial and the final states. It is applicable to Gibbs free energy, enthalpy and entropy.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Jeremy Wei 2C » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:01 am

Hi, state functions are not dependent on the path taken to achieve the final state (meaning only the initial and final state are important), and free energy is an example.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Brian Acevedo 2E » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:05 pm

State functions like Gibbs Free Energy (G) depend only on the initial and final values, and not on the pathway of the reaction. Because values like activation energy or free energy of intermediates (among others) do not affect the change in Gibbs Free Energy, we can assume that the Gibbs Free Energy of an overall reaction is a state function.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Teti Omilana 1G » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:04 pm

state functions only focus on final and initial values, rather than the path taken.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby eve444 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:45 pm

State functions denote the path taken is irrelevant and only the final and initial states should be taken into account.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Isamar Aburto Paniagua 2K » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:48 pm

State functions are just dependent on the initial and final states and not on the multiple paths it can take to get there.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Jacquelyn Rivera 2I » Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:21 pm

A state function is a process that ultimately only "cares" about the starting and ending points of it. Free energy does not require the entire process and pathway to be calculated, all that is relevant is the initial and final states.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby azurexrose » Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:32 pm

A state function is a characteristic that means that it doesn’t matter which path is taken, the final and initial values will always been the same. Gibbs free energy is a state function because it is defined by other state functions, such as Delta H and Delta S.

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Re: Free Energy

Postby Aeson Salcedo 3L » Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:22 am

A state function is when the path taken does not effect the final volumes. Examples are temperature and volume.


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