q and w for an Isolated System

Moderators: Chem_Mod, Chem_Admin

Lilyana Villa 3L
Posts: 100
Joined: Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:15 am

q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Lilyana Villa 3L » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:19 pm

Just to check, for an isolated system, q would be zero because the system would be insulated and not allow for heat transfer to occur between the system and surroundings right? Would work also be zero?

Pranav Kadiyala 1A
Posts: 134
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:58 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Pranav Kadiyala 1A » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:27 pm

An isolated system means no matter or energy exchange. Work and q are both energy exchange, so there would be no work! This corresponds to the bomb calorimeter, which is an isolated system (no volume change = no work).

Aditya Sundaram 3D
Posts: 43
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:23 am

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Aditya Sundaram 3D » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:00 pm

For isolated systems, delta U is always 0 since heat cannot enter or leave and since its isolated, it doesn't lose or gain energy since nothing can go off to the surroundings

JaesalSoma1E
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:02 pm
Been upvoted: 3 times

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby JaesalSoma1E » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:01 pm

Delta U, q, and w all equal 0 for an isolated system.

Keeryth Sandhu 1H
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:04 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Keeryth Sandhu 1H » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:26 pm

For isolated systems, I'm pretty sure delta U is always 0.

Julianna Shimabukuro 1D
Posts: 104
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:33 pm
Been upvoted: 1 time

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Julianna Shimabukuro 1D » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:25 pm

∆U for isolated systems is 0 since it is insulated, and therefore, the heat and work will be 0 as heat cannot pass through. There will be no work either since there will be no change in the volume.

Kelly Tran 1J
Posts: 152
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:50 pm
Been upvoted: 1 time

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Kelly Tran 1J » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:27 pm

For isolated systems, q = 0 because there is no heat transfer, and w = 0 because there is also no volume change as nothing can go in or out. This means that delta U = 0 as well.

Brianna Chen 3F
Posts: 108
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:11 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Brianna Chen 3F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:20 pm

Yes, since an isolated system has no transfer of energy or mass, there will be no work or heat (w=0) and (q=0).

Marcus Lagman 2A
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:40 pm
Been upvoted: 2 times

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Marcus Lagman 2A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:26 pm

Hello!

As everyone is saying, the change in internal energy would be equal to zero since no work nor heat transfer is taking place in an isolated system. Isolated systems are known to not be able to exchange any form of matter or heat between the system and surroundings thus resulting in no change in the system. A great example of this idea is a thermos flask by which the system is insulated to prevent change in energy and there is a lid to prevent change in matter. This all is consistent with the First Law of Thermodynamics, the law of conservation. I hope this helps!

apurva-3E
Posts: 142
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:59 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby apurva-3E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:42 pm

For an isolated system, Q = 0 because DELTA(U) will equal zero since nothing can interact with the system. Since no work can be done to the system, Q must equal zero.

Talia Dini - 3I
Posts: 148
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:32 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Talia Dini - 3I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:39 pm

In an isolated system, both matter and energy can not be exchanged. Since work and heat are forms of energy exchanges, they would equal 0. Hope this helps!

Bella Bursulaya 3G
Posts: 149
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Bella Bursulaya 3G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:51 pm

∆U is always 0 for an isolated system, because if you think about it, an isolated system cannot exchange matter or energy with its surroundings. Therefore, its internal energy doesn't change. It's interesting to think, however, if this is only theoretical. Most "isolated" systems still lose energy over time, such as thermoses, but ideally they shouldn't.

Jacob Schwarz-Discussion 3I
Posts: 111
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:01 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Jacob Schwarz-Discussion 3I » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:32 pm

In an isolated system, both q and w would equal 0. Isolated systems always have an internal energy of 0

Shreyank Kadadi 3K
Posts: 50
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:19 am

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Shreyank Kadadi 3K » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:55 am

q and w would both be 0 for an isolated system, meaning that the delta u will be zero as well.

Chudi Onyedika 3A
Posts: 106
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:37 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Chudi Onyedika 3A » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:31 pm

Yes, both q and w would be 0.

Jeremy Wei 2C
Posts: 103
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:59 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Jeremy Wei 2C » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:57 am

Yes, in an isolated system q and w would both be 0, since no energy is exchanged between the surrounding and the system.

OmarArafat_2K
Posts: 51
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:17 am

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby OmarArafat_2K » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:22 am

q is 0 since there is no heat transfer, and work is also 0 because there is also no volume change since nothing is able to go in or out. So this means that delta U is also 0.

Annette Fishman
Posts: 106
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:03 pm
Been upvoted: 1 time

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Annette Fishman » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:52 pm

delta U, q, and w are all equal to 0 for an isolated system since there is no energy transfer between the system and the surroundings

Sejal Parsi 3K
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:03 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby Sejal Parsi 3K » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:57 am

An isolated system means that there is no matter or energy exchange, so w and q would be zero.

SamanthaTolentino 3D
Posts: 142
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:03 pm

Re: q and w for an Isolated System

Postby SamanthaTolentino 3D » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:44 am

Isolated systems cannot exchange matter nor heat so work and q would both be 0 . This would make U 0 as well.


Return to “Thermodynamic Systems (Open, Closed, Isolated)”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests