Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

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Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Jenaye Brelland 2I » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:43 am

You know how travel mugs are being designed to able to greater maintain the temperature of your beverage? Wouldn't that be an example of an isolated system because mass and heat are not being exchanged (At least we hope so)?

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Jenaye Brelland 2I » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:44 am

The ones that have a lid and are for travel.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Katie Nye 2F » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:37 am

Yes! If the lid is closed and no energy/heat is allowed to escape then it is an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Charlie Russell 2L » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:46 am

It's not a perfect isolated system since that doesn't exist in real life but it's pretty close! The long the heat stays in that mug, the closer to a perfect isolated system it is!

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Aarushi Verma 2I » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:59 am

A thermos or any insulated sealed container would be as close to a real isolated system because no energy can be transferred from the system to the surroundings and no matter can be exchanged either.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Madeline Louie 1B » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:58 pm

Since isolated systems don't exist in real life, travel/thermos mugs are as close to an isolated system as possible. They (to the best of their abilities) prevent an exchange of heat/energy and matter, making them an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Jiwon_Chae_3L » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:36 pm

In a perfect world where no heat or matter is lost through the mug, then it would be an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Andy Hon 3E » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:43 pm

Yes! That would be an example of an isolated system. Although some heat and energy may be scaping through pressure holes etc, it is a good example concept-wise.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Grecia Velasco 1G » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:30 pm

Yes! No heat/energy or matter can enter or exit the system in the mug so it is an isolated system :) unless you open it! Then it would be an open system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Samudrala_Vaishnavi 3A » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:27 pm

Yes, they are considering that they don't exchange heat or energy with the surroundings (made to keep your beverage the same general temperature or do any work (change the mass of the substance in a container) since it has a lid.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Brianna Chen 3F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:46 pm

Yes, in the context of this class, we usually refer to thermals as isolated systems as long as they are closed/sealed on top.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Abby Lam 3F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:20 pm

Yes, I think you're right since mugs have a lid.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby aashmi_agrawal_3d » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:54 pm

I think so as long as the lid is closed.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Anna Yang 1A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:33 pm

They served as a pretty good example of one for an everyday object if they are closed and insulated.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Namita Shyam 3G » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:40 pm

Yep, I think so. If material isn't going in or out, and if heat isn't going in or out, then yes, this would be an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Britney Tran IJ » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:27 am

yep as long as there is no way for it to escape through the lid

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Madison Muggeo 3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:46 am

If the lid is closed, and the mug is of high enough quality then yes, it is an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Norah Gidanian 3D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:54 am

Yes. If it is closed then there is no way for matter or energy to be exchanged with the surroundings

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby darchen3G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:19 am

No, it is not isolated because even if the lid is closed there is still a small amount of heat exchange with the surroundings.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Sreeram Kurada 3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:57 am

Yes since energy and matter can't be exchanged.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Justin Lin 1B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:17 pm

It could be an isolated system if the lid is on. That way, no matter or energy can be transferred between the system and the surrounding.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Will Skinner » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:24 pm

It is a good illustration of an isolated system, but it technically would be a closed system that allows minimal heat transfer to its surroundings. If you put a hot beverage in the thermos it will eventually cool, but slowly. However, if there is a thermos that is truly an isolated system, I would definitely buy it!

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Talia Dini - 3I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:27 pm

Yes, as long as the lid is on, a thermal mug would be an example of an isolated system because energy and matter can not be exchanged.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Jenaye Brelland 2I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:24 pm

Will Skinner wrote:It is a good illustration of an isolated system, but it technically would be a closed system that allows minimal heat transfer to its surroundings. If you put a hot beverage in the thermos it will eventually cool, but slowly. However, if there is a thermos that is truly an isolated system, I would definitely buy it!

Yes. I think we are getting closer and closer to developing more efficiently thermal mugs!

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Anthony_Sandoval_1D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:12 pm

Yea, a thermal mug would be an excellent example of an isolated system as nothing comes in or out! A thermal mug without a lid would be an open system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Sara Sandri 2B » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:48 am

Yup! no heat and energy can exit the system (as long as it has a lid). That is the definition of an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Brian Bui 3H » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:20 am

Theoretically it would not exchange matter or energy with its surroundings, but in reality I don't think I know of any that does it 100% effectively. I think it would sell pretty well if it was capable of doing so! :P

But aside from that, I believe thermal mugs are generally used as examples of isolated systems, assuming they have 100% effectiveness.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby jia207 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:12 pm

As long as the lid of a thermal mug is on and sealed properly, it would be an example of an isolate system because there is no heat transfer from the system and its surrounding.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Mursall M 2A » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:43 pm

If the lid is secured, then it would be considered an isolated system since no heat or energy is being exchanged with the surroundings!

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Jacob Schwarz-Discussion 3I » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:36 pm

It would be very near to an isolated system. No mass is exchanged and the longer heat is contained in the thermal mug, the closer it is to an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Chudi Onyedika 3A » Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:43 pm

Yes, as long as there is a closed lid to retain the matter and the mug retains all of the heat.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Kathy_Li_1H » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:43 pm

Hi! I believe if the thermal mug is completely sealed then yes it would be considered an example of an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby James_Hankee_1C » Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:23 pm

If the mug has a lid and no heat can escape it would be an isolated system. It would most likely be a closed system as opposed to an isolated system as heat will eventually escape from the system over time.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Matlynn Giles 2E » Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:58 pm

A mug with a lid would be an example.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Jeremy Wei 2C » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:55 am

Yes, if the mug cap is sealed then the thermal mug would be an example of an isolated system.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby OmarArafat_2K » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:32 am

Yes! As long as no heat or energy is able to travel between the inside and outside.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby FrancescaHawkins2H » Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:43 am

I think someone mentioned this above, but truly isolated systems don't necessarily exist (and heat will eventually escape the mug), however, this is a really good example and is super close to one!

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Linette Choi 3L » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm

Yes, I would consider it an isolated system since no heat is leaving or entering the mug.

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Re: Is thermal mugs an example of an isolated system?

Postby Gicelle Rubin 1E » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:56 pm

It would if no heat is moving around! :)


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