Isothermal

isochoric/isometric:
isothermal:
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AngieGarcia_4F
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Isothermal

Postby AngieGarcia_4F » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:13 pm

Does isothermal mean the same thing as reversible?

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Re: Isothermal

Postby Kaitlyn Ang 1J » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:16 pm

Not necessarily. Isothermal means that there is no temperature change (aka deltaT = 0) whereas reversibility has to do with entropy and if total entropy is 0 (aka in a reversible system) or if entropy of the surroundings is 0 (aka in an irreversible system).

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Re: Isothermal

Postby CNourian2H » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:01 pm

Kaitlyn Ang 1J wrote:Not necessarily. Isothermal means that there is no temperature change (aka deltaT = 0) whereas reversibility has to do with entropy and if total entropy is 0 (aka in a reversible system) or if entropy of the surroundings is 0 (aka in an irreversible system).


Can you explain further how entropy relates to reversible/irreversible

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Re: Isothermal

Postby Sam McNeill 1E » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:17 pm

Isothermal means that the temperature is constant, which translates to delta T is 0, but isothermal is a specific pathway where the temperature is constant.

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Re: Isothermal

Postby Samuel Tzeng 1B » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:59 pm

Isothermal systems have constant temperature, this does not mean the same as reversible

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Re: Isothermal

Postby CMaduno_1L » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:30 pm

To add to the statement above, many questions in the textbook describe systems as isothermally reversible and irreversible, so it is not necessarily correct to consider an isothermal system to be only reversible.

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Re: Isothermal

Postby CMaduno_1L » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:33 pm

Additionally, I believe that a system being isothermal suggests that the change in internal energy for the system is 0, meaning that
dU = q + w ==> q = -w

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Re: Isothermal

Postby Rebekah Alfred 1J » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:43 pm

To add to the above statement, the energy lost by the system doing work is replaced by heat flow, q, into the system, which is why q=-w.

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Re: Isothermal

Postby Nicholas_Gladkov_2J » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:08 pm

AngieGarcia_4F wrote:Does isothermal mean the same thing as reversible?


No, although isothermal reactions could very well be reversible. Isothermal means that a reaction has no change in temperature, while reversible means that there are slight changes made in pressure, and the temperature doesn't change. So, I guess that reversible reaction are isothermial, but isothermal does not mean that the reaction is reversible.

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Re: Isothermal

Postby Osvaldo SanchezF -1H » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:07 am

Something could be isothermal reversible or isothermal irreversible and the way to solve them both is the same when finding entropy as entropy is a state function but different when finding work because it is not a state function. Another difference is that in an irreversible function take into account that it is done in a vaccuum and the work for it will be 0 but this will not be the case for a reversible process.


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