State property

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State property

Postby IreneSeo3F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:52 pm

What is the definition of state property? Why are heat and work not considered as state properties?

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Re: State property

Postby Hazelle Gunawan 3G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:55 pm

A state property is the same no matter what path you take to get to it. Work and heat aren't considered state properties because they can change depending on what steps you take to get to the end product.

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Re: State property

Postby Savana Maxfield 3F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:56 pm

Adding on to the above reply, a state function does not depend on the path taken. A path function (work and heat) depends on the path taken!

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Re: State property

Postby Emily Tieu 2K » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:04 am

A state property is determined by its current state, meaning that only the final value is important and not the path taken to get to that value. Therefore, state properties can be added and subtracted to find their value (final state minus initial state). Examples of state properties are Entropy, Pressure, Volume, Temperature, Density, Heat Capacity, Internal Energy, and Enthalpy. Work and Heat are not state properties because they are dependent on the path taken, meaning that they are defined by how it's changed from point A to point B. However, heat at constant pressure would then be enthalpy and thus a state property.

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Re: State property

Postby Ranen_Chang_2G » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:39 pm

State properties only consider the current state, so only taking the final and initial states in account. This implies it is independent of the path taken to get there, unlike work or heat.

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Re: State property

Postby SelenaDahabreh1D » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:01 pm

A state property only takes into account the initial and final states. Heat and work are not considered state properties because they are path dependent.

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Re: State property

Postby Crystal Hsueh 2L » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:01 pm

Just like the above replies said, state properties only care about where the process starts and where it ends. There is a very helpful image/diagram in the textbook that analogizes state and path properties as climbing a mountain that you should check out if you need a visual

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Re: State property

Postby Lesly Lopez 3A » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:40 pm

I believe the state property should be the same no matter how you get to the final part. Taking this into account, work and heat are not considered state properties. This is because their values can change depending on what certain steps that are made take to get to the end value.

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Re: State property

Postby Giselle_zamora_1L » Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:00 am

A state property doesn't depend on the path taken. For example the distance between your house and UCLA. The distance does not change since its fixed but I'm sure you can take shortcuts it longer ways that can increase or decrease the actual miles it takes you to reach UCLA. In the same way temperature (a state property) doesn't depend on how many times you changed it , only the initial and final temperatures.

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Re: State property

Postby Ziyan Peng 3A » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:15 am

A state function does not depend on the path taken while properties like work and heat describe the path taken.

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Re: State property

Postby Kyla Roche 2K » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:30 am

A state property isn’t affected by the path taken therefore you can add and subtract the values. Otherwise, variables such as work and heat energy do take the path taken into account

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Re: State property

Postby Kimiya Aframian IB » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:20 am

IreneSeo3F wrote:What is the definition of state property? Why are heat and work not considered as state properties?

Hi! A state property is not dependent on the path that the system travels in reaching the end result, but instead it is only dependent on the final and initial conditions. I think of it as climbing a mountain: one thing to consider is the change in altitude which does not depend on what path was taken, and another is how far I have walked (especially if I took the long path this would be different than the altitude). Heat and work are dependent on the path taken, which makes them not state properties. Hope this helps!

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Re: State property

Postby Sara Sandri 2B » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:47 am

A state property is essentially uninfluenced by the path traveled. State properties just depend on the final and initial state. For example, temperature is a state property but work is not.

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Re: State property

Postby Jason Knight - 1F » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:51 am

A state property contains a value that is determined by the final and initial states of the system. On the other hand, work and heat are not state properties because they are determined by the progress of the system from one state to another.

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Re: State property

Postby 305572629 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:17 pm

Heat and work are not considered state properties because they are affected by the paths that they take and are changed by them.

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Re: State property

Postby SamayaJoshi1A » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:54 pm

What is the difference between a state function and U/T?

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Re: State property

Postby Jay Solanki 3A » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:41 pm

SamayaJoshi1A wrote:What is the difference between a state function and U/T?

I don't think there is a difference. U represents internal energy and T represents temperature, both of which are state functions. I hope that answered your question!!

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Re: State property

Postby David Y » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:26 pm

State properties do not take into account the path taken to get the final result. It is just final minus initial.

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Re: State property

Postby Jiwon_Chae_3L » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:48 am

If something is a state property, that means that the different steps in a process that might have occurred in between an initial and final state are irrelevant. State functions can be described in net terms.

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Re: State property

Postby FrancescaHawkins2H » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:39 am

State properties are measurements that do not change based on the path taken to get the measurement. For example, we could increase and decrease the volume of a container numerous times, but the delta V is still going to be Vfinal-Vinitial, regardless of these intermediate changes.

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Re: State property

Postby Jeremy Wei 2C » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:23 am

Hi, state properties don't take into account the path taken to achieve the final value. So, work and heat aren't state properties since they do take into account the path.

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Re: State property

Postby Esmeralda_Solis_2D » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:05 pm

State property is a system that depends only on current conditions such as temperature and volume etc; not on its history and/or path.

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Re: State property

Postby 605721741 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:19 pm

Enthalpy just looks at initial heat and final heat, and not the path in between, which is why it is a state function.

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Re: State property

Postby Tammy Shen 2L » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:43 pm

State properties/functions are additive. The path taken to reach the end result does not dictate the state property.

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Re: State property

Postby Eric Sun 2G » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:44 pm

A state property a value determined by its current state and not dependent on the path taken to obtain the state. Professor Lavelle said that some state properties are Pressure, Volume, Temperature, Density, Heat Capacity, Internal Energy, and Enthalpy. Work and Heat are dependent on the path taken, meaning that they are defined by how it's changed from its starting state until its current state, and results in why they are not state properties.

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Re: State property

Postby Fiona H 2E » Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:55 pm

A state property is a quantity that is independent of how the substances was prepared. Some examples are pressure, volume, temperature, and internal energy.

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Re: State property

Postby Chris Korban 1D » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:00 pm

State properties only measure the Final values of something- the initial value and do not consider intermidary steps like the path taken. However, Work and heat vary with the path as the longer it takes you to get to that final destination, it may take more work to do so

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Re: State property

Postby Sara Dolmo 2J » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:02 pm

State functions/ property doesn't depend on the path taken but the path function is the opposite and it does depend on the path taken

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Re: State property

Postby Windell Viste 1K » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:09 pm

State properties only take into consideration its current state, so its final and initial states, no matter the path taken to get to that current state, I believe.

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Re: State property

Postby Hannah Carsey 1B » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:07 pm

A state property is a quantity that is independent of / not reliant on how the substance was prepared, it is a value that is determined by the current state of the substance (like altitude, pressure, volume, temperature, internal energy, etc.).

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Re: State property

Postby isabella garcia - 1G » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:25 am

State properties are measured only by their current state, with the path taken to reach that state not being taken into account when determining it.

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Re: State property

Postby Ivy Vo Dis 1C » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:53 am

State properties only take into account the initial state. This means that the path taken to complete a process does not matter. Work and heat take into consideration the path taken. A longer path would result in more work done and more heat produced.

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Re: State property

Postby Chelsea Tran 3H » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:45 pm

State property is independent of the path taken. Work and heat depend on the path taken.

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Re: State property

Postby Mario Prado 1K » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Hello,

A state property doesn't care about the path taken. Heat and work cannot be considered state properties because the path taken can change the results.

Hope this helps.

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Re: State property

Postby Om Patel » Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:03 pm

s state property is a value you get no matter what path you take to get to it

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Re: State property

Postby Jessica Sun 2I » Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:31 pm

state properties are values that do not depend on the path it takes to get to their states. Work and heat are dependent on the path it takes to get to the values so they are not state properties. Heat is only a state property when it is under constant pressure which makes it enthalpy.

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Re: State property

Postby Arshaun Faraji 2H » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:55 pm

A state property specifically looks at the beginning and final states.

Heat and work are not state properties because the path taken is important, whereas a state property only needs the beginning and final states.

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Re: State property

Postby kayleec1004 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:58 pm

A state property is determined by its current state. Only the final value is important (not the path taken to get to that value). This means that state properties can be added/subtracted to find their value (final - initial).
Be careful! Work/heat are NOT state properties because they are dependent on the path taken. This means that they are defined by how it's changed from point A to point B. BUT heat at constant pressure (Cp) is enthalpy so a state property.

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Re: State property

Postby Tristan Friet 3G » Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:11 am

A state property independent of the path taken. Therefore heat is not a state property as it changes.

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Re: State property

Postby 605721741 » Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:38 pm

They are state properties because the path does not matter. Therefore, they can be additive.

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Re: State property

Postby Alice Weber 3I » Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:40 pm

A state property only considers the initial and final state of a reaction.

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Re: State property

Postby Sophia Dominguez 3I » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:28 pm

A state property is a value that is determined by its current state. A state property is not dependent on the path taken to obtain that state. State properties can be added and subtracted. State properties include E, P, V, T, density and heat capacity. Work and heat are not considered state properties because they depend on the path taken.

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Re: State property

Postby JennyZhu1K » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:31 pm

A state property is a property that does not depend on the pathway that a reaction takes. These inclue enthalpy, entropy, and gibb's free energy. Non-state properties include work and rate constants.

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Re: State property

Postby Nick Oscarson 1K » Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:10 am

State properties do not require a specific pathway to get to whichever state is needed. Therefore, examples include pressure, temperature, volume, mass, density, internal energy, enthalpy, entropy, Gibb's free energy, etc.

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Re: State property

Postby kaylasaens2A » Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:43 pm

A state property is a value that is independent of the pathway that reaction takes. Examples of state properties include entropy, enthalpy, and gibb's free energy. Heat and work are not considered state properties because they are dependent on the path taken. Heat and work are examples of path functions.

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Re: State property

Postby 605823283 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:15 pm

state properties are not determined by the path taken and is independent of how it was prepared.

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Re: State property

Postby Sarthika Chimmula 3H » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:38 pm

A state property is independent of how the substance was prepared. Work and heat are not state properties because they depend on the path used to go from the initial to the final state.

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Re: State property

Postby Zoe Staggs 3B » Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:55 pm

A state property has a definite start and end point, regardless of the path taken to get there. For example, change in entropy is the same in reversible and irreversible processes, making it a state funcruin.


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