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Hector Acosta Discussion 1H
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The integral equation

Postby Hector Acosta Discussion 1H » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:10 pm

Why do we need an integral to calculate work?

Xin He 2L
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Xin He 2L » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:14 pm

You don't need to use calculus, you just need the use the equation given in the book for isothermal reversible expansion. I believe the equation is w=nRT log(Vfinal/Vinitial )

Kevin Tabibian 1A
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Kevin Tabibian 1A » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:44 pm

The integral is an equation that gave origin to several others we derived in class. It was meant to help our comprehension, yet we do not need it in our calculations.

Yea Eun Lee 1H
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Yea Eun Lee 1H » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:52 am

The integral is used for deriving the equation for finding work in a reversible gas expansion. The integral is used to find the area of the curve in a volume vs. pressure graph (you can find that on p 266 of the textbook). The graph is curve because in a reversible gas expansion, the external pressure is reduced infinitesimally, and the area underneath the curve is the work since PV= w (and it's a volume vs pressure graph). Hope that made sense!

Abigail Yap 2K
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Abigail Yap 2K » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:57 am

We used integrals to derive the work equations because when systems are at equilibrium, changes within them occur infinitesimally. The integral allows us to sum together all of these small steps to calculate the total work. As mentioned above, the integrals were only used for the formula derivations and are not needed for actual work calculations.

Tasnia Haider 1E
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Tasnia Haider 1E » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:45 pm

Will we need to know how to derive the integral for the test/ midterm coming up?

Niyanta Joshi 1F
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Niyanta Joshi 1F » Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:32 pm

I believe we are expected to understand how the equations come into place, however I doubt that we would actually need to do calculations to derive the equation on the test.

Christina Bedrosian 1B
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Christina Bedrosian 1B » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:22 pm

I also don't believe we will actually have to derive anything on the tests because it isn't the point of the equation. We only derived it to help us understand where it came from.

Marina Georgies 1C
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Re: The integral equation

Postby Marina Georgies 1C » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:59 pm

The equation is similar when dealing with pressure right? Except it's Pinital/Pfinal because of the inversely proportional relationship between P and V?


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