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Jenny Chau 1I
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Equations

Postby Jenny Chau 1I » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:38 pm

I'm a bit confused but how do you know when to use -P(delta V) vs -(delta n)RT vs -nRTln(v2/v1) since they all account for work?

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Re: Equations

Postby Lea Baskin Monk 1F » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:50 pm

-P(delta V) and -(delta n)RT are both used for irreversible expansions. They are basically the same equation. I put the derivation below. The other equation, -nRTln(v2/v1), is used for reversible expansions. It can be derived from the the integral equation we covered in class.

Here is how to show that -P(delta V) = -(delta n)RT ...

PV = nRT
P(delta V) = (delta n)RT
delta V = (delta n)RT / P solve for delta V

Then ...
w = -P(delta V)
w = -P((delta n)RT / P) Plug the above solution for delta V in that was found from the PV = nRT equation
w = -(delta n)RT The pressure value (P) cancels out and we're left with the equation

Thus, -P(delta V) = -(delta n)RT

Tanya Nguyen 1B
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Re: Equations

Postby Tanya Nguyen 1B » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:02 pm

In addition, I understand that work is the integral from v2 to v1 (-p(delta v)), but how does it also equal -nRTln(v2/v1)?

Asia Yamada 2B
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Re: Equations

Postby Asia Yamada 2B » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:16 pm

You would use -P(delta V) when there is a constant external pressure. You use -nRTln(V2/V1) when the reaction is an isothermal, reversible one.

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Re: Equations

Postby Chinmayi Mutyala 3H » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:31 pm

it depends on whether pressure is constant or not. You can use -P(delta)V when external pressure is constant and the other when it isn't.


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