change in entropy for adiabatic systems


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change in entropy for adiabatic systems

Postby Estefania Lima 2G » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:49 pm

Since q=0 in an adiabatic system, is the entropy of an adiabatic system constant?
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Re: change in entropy for adiabatic systems

Postby Albert Chong_1L » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:39 pm

Factors other than heat flow (q) can affect entropy. For example, if volume was increased for a gas, there would be more entropy since the gas molecules have more possible micro states in which to exist.

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Re: change in entropy for adiabatic systems

Postby Chem_Mod » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:51 pm

For reversible adiabatic process, delta S should be 0.

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Re: change in entropy for adiabatic systems

Postby Albert Chong_1L » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:53 am

Chem_Mod wrote:For reversible adiabatic process, delta S should be 0.


I can see that is true through deltaS=q/T, since deltaS will be 0 when q is 0.

However, if V2/V1 can be substituted for T2/T1 in the equation deltaS=nCln(T2/T1), then how does this equation show deltaS as 0 when q=0 (adiabatic)?

Is this equation only for free expansion in which entropy increases despite no change in internal energy?

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Re: change in entropy for adiabatic systems

Postby Chem_Mod » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:30 pm

PV=nRT does not work for adiabatic process. It is in fact which is not covered in this class. For free expansion, delta S=nRln(V2/V1) due to the statistical model you have been shown in class (derived from delta S=nRln(W2/W1)


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