Change in Entropy of Universe


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Ju-Wei Wang 1I
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Change in Entropy of Universe

Postby Ju-Wei Wang 1I » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:19 pm

When do you know that you can set delta Suniv equal to zero? Is it just for reversible processes?

Anika_Patel_1G
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Re: Change in Entropy of Universe

Postby Anika_Patel_1G » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:08 am

Delta S universe is equal to 0 only when the system us at equilibrium. So yes, only when a reversible process is taking place. When delta S universe is positive, the process is spontaneous.

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Re: Change in Entropy of Universe

Postby 804899546 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:04 pm

Can you explain why delta S universe can be zero during a reversible process, but is always positive for a spontaneous process? I thought it was always positive no matter what.

Curtis Wong 2D
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Re: Change in Entropy of Universe

Postby Curtis Wong 2D » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:26 pm

Delta S of the universe is equal to 0, because it's essentially Delta S of the system + Delta S of the surroundings. The system experiences an increase in entropy in a reversible process, but since its a reversible process, the Delta S of the surroundings experience a decrease in entropy as well. Thus, Delta S of the universe is equal to 0.

Now in a spontaneous irreversible process, the Delta S of the surrounding will be equal to 0, because it cannot go back to that state. It would require energy to go back to that initial state. So The Delta S of the universe will be just the Delta S of the system.

Problem #47 is a good example showcasing this.


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