positional residual entropy


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Simrina Desar Dis 1H
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positional residual entropy

Postby Simrina Desar Dis 1H » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:09 pm

How is positional residual entropy different from regular entropy? Would this affect any calculations?

Nishma Chakraborty 1J
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Re: positional residual entropy

Postby Nishma Chakraborty 1J » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:36 pm

Residual entropy relates to the entropy of a substance as T≈0 kelvin. There are fewer degenerative states at that temperature. I think residual entropy is calculated using the absolute entropy equation, S=kb*ln(W). Regular (or change in) entropy is calculated using the change in pressure, change in temperature, or change in volume, equation using a constant value. For example: deltaS=Cv*ln(Tf/Ti).

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Re: positional residual entropy

Postby CameronJohari1J » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:37 pm

Positional residual entropy is basically the absolute entropy and the equation was derived statically. The formula is S=Kb*lnW. Regular entropy to my understanding is usually delta S of the system.

Xihui Yin 1I
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Re: positional residual entropy

Postby Xihui Yin 1I » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:59 pm

Recall the third law - entropy in a perfect crystal at 0K is 0. This means that at 0K there is no thermal entropy, hence only entropy remaining is positional residual entropy, which is based off the "randomness" of the positions of the molecules/atoms arranged. For example a non-polar molecule has more positional residual entropy than a polar one, because its lack of electric dipole means that no intermolecular arrangement is favoured over the other, hence it can take on random positions.

This thus means that you can use the equation listed by the replies above to calculate positional entropy, because the equation takes into account both thermal and positional entropies and positional can be calculated once thermal is excluded.

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Re: positional residual entropy

Postby Xihui Yin 1I » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 am

Xihui Yin 1I wrote:Recall the third law - entropy in a perfect crystal at 0K is 0. This means that at 0K there is no thermal entropy, hence only entropy remaining is positional residual entropy, which is based off the "randomness" of the positions of the molecules/atoms arranged. For example a non-polar molecule has more positional residual entropy than a polar one, because its lack of electric dipole means that no intermolecular arrangement is favoured over the other, hence it can take on random positions.

This thus means that you can use the equation listed by the replies above to calculate positional entropy, because the equation takes into account both thermal and positional entropies and positional can be calculated once thermal is excluded.

My bad, apparently the equation already represents the positional entropy at 0K


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