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entropy positive value
In lecture 13, Dr Lavelle said something about entropy always being a positive value. Does anyone understand why this is?
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Re: entropy positive value
I think he said entropy is always positive for a continuous(spontaneous) reaction?
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Re: entropy positive value
The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of the overall universe is always increasing (positive), but it is always possible for a certain smaller section of the universe to decrease in entropy.
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Re: entropy positive value
I believe entropy will always be positive for a continuous/spontaneous reaction
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Re: entropy positive value
Entropy is always positive when looking at the entropy of the universe, as entropy and disorder is always increasing when looking at the system perspective of the universe.
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He was saying that entropy is always increasing for the universe, so the change in entropy of the universe is always positive
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Re: entropy positive value
Entropy will be positive for a spontaneous reaction, and the change in entropy of the universe is positive as well because the universe tends toward disorder (which translates to higher entropy).
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Re: entropy positive value
I don't remember specifically what he was talking about, but something to note: he could have been referring to the standard entropy values of common substances (found in tables), which are always positive.
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Re: entropy positive value
As the second law of thermodynamics states, the entropy of the universe is always increasing and, thus, positive. In addition, a positive entropy (for a system) indicates a spontaneous reaction. I hope this helps!
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Re: entropy positive value
Entropy is expected to increase when a given amount of matter spreads into a greater volume or is mixed with another substance. A spontaneous process has a natural tendency to occur, so when entropy is positive, it is a spontaneous process.
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Re: entropy positive value
The entropy of the universe is always positive. I think that's what you're talking about
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Re: entropy positive value
The entropy of the universe is always increasing, but individual reactions can have a decrease in entropy. For example, a phase change going from liquid to solid is a decrease in entropy because there is more order in a solid than liquid.
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Re: entropy positive value
According to the second law of thermodynamics, entropy of the universe must always be positive in order for a spontaneous process to occur. Also, entropy is only positive at high temperatures, because high temperatures increase the disorder in the system, whereas at low temperatures, entropy is more negative since it is more ordered. Therefore, entropy is not always positive!
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Re: entropy positive value
Entropy in the universe will always be increasing according to the second law of thermodynamics. However, within a system it could be decreasing but the surrounding entropy change will be larger than the decreasing entropy of the system
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Re: entropy positive value
Change in entropy of the universe must always be positive, but by identifying smaller systems you can find negative entropy changes :)
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Re: entropy positive value
I think he was referring to spontaneous reactions. hence, the second law says that the universe always increases disorder. However, there are some small changes in the universe that do restore order. So S can be negative.
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I wanted to chime in that at first I was also confused about why entropy is always increasing because there was a problem in which the entropy decreases (instead of increasing). It boils down to the fact that the order of the entropy is always increasing because entropy = randomness, and the randomness of the universe is always increasing. But when you look at a closed or individual reaction, it is possible that the entropy of that reaction is decreasing (the S of the System would decrease, but the S of the Surrounding would increase). On a large scale, the surroundings, aka the universe, always increase but the entropy of a system itself can decrease.
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Re: entropy positive value
entropy of the universe will always be a positive value even if the entropy of a system decreases. Entropy will also be positive for spontaneous reactions.
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Re: entropy positive value
For some reason I thought that entropy could be negative even if the reaction was spontaneous. Can delta H be more negative than the positive value of T(deltaS) and create a spontaneous reaction?
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Re: entropy positive value
It is definitely not always positive, because there is always disorder in the world.
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Re: entropy positive value
I believe Lavelle said that because the total entropy of the universe is always increasing. Additionally, in an irreversible reaction, entropy always increases. However, there can be a decrease in entropy for a system that is not closed.
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Re: entropy positive value
I think he was referring to the second law, which states that an isolated system's entropy will always increase over time. A system can have a negative change in entropy, but overall somewhere in the universe, the entropy will increase.
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Re: entropy positive value
Entropy values are always positive values because spontaneous values need to be constant.
Re: entropy positive value
Entropy will always have a net increase, no matter what happens. The disorder of the universe is constantly increasing.
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Re: entropy positive value
The entropy of the universe is always increasing and therefore is always positive
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