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Funmi Baruwa
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entropy positive value

Postby Funmi Baruwa » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:42 am

In lecture 13, Dr Lavelle said something about entropy always being a positive value. Does anyone understand why this is?

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Lorraine Jiang 2C » Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:53 am

I think he said entropy is always positive for a continuous(spontaneous) reaction?

Hope it helps!

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Margaret Wang 2D » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:21 am

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of the overall universe is always increasing (positive), but it is always possible for a certain smaller section of the universe to decrease in entropy.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Funmi Baruwa » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:29 am

oh okay thank you

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby jia207 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:30 am

I believe entropy will always be positive for a continuous/spontaneous reaction

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Anastasia Yulo 1C » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:34 pm

Entropy is always positive when looking at the entropy of the universe, as entropy and disorder is always increasing when looking at the system perspective of the universe.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Kaley Qin 1F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:38 pm

He was saying that entropy is always increasing for the universe, so the change in entropy of the universe is always positive

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Saumya Tawakley 1E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:43 pm

Entropy will be positive for a spontaneous reaction, and the change in entropy of the universe is positive as well because the universe tends toward disorder (which translates to higher entropy).

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Wil Chai 3D » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:59 pm

I don't remember specifically what he was talking about, but something to note: he could have been referring to the standard entropy values of common substances (found in tables), which are always positive.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Dominic Benna 2E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:23 pm

It is always positive for a spontaneous reaction.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Karina Grover 1A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:24 pm

As the second law of thermodynamics states, the entropy of the universe is always increasing and, thus, positive. In addition, a positive entropy (for a system) indicates a spontaneous reaction. I hope this helps!

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Anh Trinh 1J » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:52 pm

Entropy is expected to increase when a given amount of matter spreads into a greater volume or is mixed with another substance. A spontaneous process has a natural tendency to occur, so when entropy is positive, it is a spontaneous process.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Britney Tran IJ » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:32 am

entropy is positive for a spontaneous reaction

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Nina Fukui 2J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:54 am

The entropy of the universe is always positive. I think that's what you're talking about

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Eliana Witham 2H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:30 pm

The entropy of the universe is always increasing, but individual reactions can have a decrease in entropy. For example, a phase change going from liquid to solid is a decrease in entropy because there is more order in a solid than liquid.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Giselle Granda 3F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:11 pm

According to the second law of thermodynamics, entropy of the universe must always be positive in order for a spontaneous process to occur. Also, entropy is only positive at high temperatures, because high temperatures increase the disorder in the system, whereas at low temperatures, entropy is more negative since it is more ordered. Therefore, entropy is not always positive!

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Olivia Smith 2E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:57 pm

Entropy in the universe will always be increasing according to the second law of thermodynamics. However, within a system it could be decreasing but the surrounding entropy change will be larger than the decreasing entropy of the system

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Mari Williams 1K » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:14 pm

Change in entropy of the universe must always be positive, but by identifying smaller systems you can find negative entropy changes :)

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby rhettfarmer-3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:10 pm

I think he was referring to spontaneous reactions. hence, the second law says that the universe always increases disorder. However, there are some small changes in the universe that do restore order. So S can be negative.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby EmilyGillen_1A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:22 pm

I wanted to chime in that at first I was also confused about why entropy is always increasing because there was a problem in which the entropy decreases (instead of increasing). It boils down to the fact that the order of the entropy is always increasing because entropy = randomness, and the randomness of the universe is always increasing. But when you look at a closed or individual reaction, it is possible that the entropy of that reaction is decreasing (the S of the System would decrease, but the S of the Surrounding would increase). On a large scale, the surroundings, aka the universe, always increase but the entropy of a system itself can decrease.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Mehreen 3I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:07 pm

Entropy is positive for a spontaneous reaction.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Isabella Cortes 2H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:23 pm

entropy of the universe will always be a positive value even if the entropy of a system decreases. Entropy will also be positive for spontaneous reactions.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Rachel Kwan 1B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:39 pm

For some reason I thought that entropy could be negative even if the reaction was spontaneous. Can delta H be more negative than the positive value of T(deltaS) and create a spontaneous reaction?

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby John_Tran_3J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:58 pm

It is definitely not always positive, because there is always disorder in the world.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby LovepreetSran_3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:16 pm

He was saying that the entropy of the universe is always positive.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Melis Kasaba 2B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:22 pm

I believe Lavelle said that because the total entropy of the universe is always increasing. Additionally, in an irreversible reaction, entropy always increases. However, there can be a decrease in entropy for a system that is not closed.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Astha Patel 2J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:22 pm

I think he was referring to the second law, which states that an isolated system's entropy will always increase over time. A system can have a negative change in entropy, but overall somewhere in the universe, the entropy will increase.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Keshav Patel 14B 2B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:46 pm

Entropy values are always positive values because spontaneous values need to be constant.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Griffin G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:13 pm

Entropy will always have a net increase, no matter what happens. The disorder of the universe is constantly increasing.

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Lauren Mungo 1K » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:17 pm

The entropy of the universe is always increasing and therefore is always positive

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Re: entropy positive value

Postby Gian Boco 2G » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:43 pm

I think for the universe or for most spontaneous reactions.


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