irreversible expansion of ideal gas

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Payton Kammerer 2B
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irreversible expansion of ideal gas

Postby Payton Kammerer 2B » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:16 pm

Why is w=0 for this? the example on p. 326 uses this to show that the entropy change of the surroundings is 0, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me on a conceptual level.

Frank He 4G
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Re: irreversible expansion of ideal gas

Postby Frank He 4G » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:45 pm

Looking at the example, it says free expansion. When something is said to freely expand, it means that the external pressure is 0. That means that w = -PV = 0.

Elizabeth Harty 1A
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Re: irreversible expansion of ideal gas

Postby Elizabeth Harty 1A » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:51 pm

Is W always zero for irreversible expansion?

Tauhid Islam- 1H
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Re: irreversible expansion of ideal gas

Postby Tauhid Islam- 1H » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:10 pm

From my understanding, free expansion is the same as a irreversible expansion which is when there is no external pressure on the system. If the system has no external pressure and if the gas is expanding against no external pressure, the gas is said to expand freely. Because there is no expansion against an external pressure, the expanding gas does no work, because work is equal to FD which is external force times distance traveled. No external force no work.

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