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**Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:42 pm**do you need Avogadro's number to find degeneracy?

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Posted: **Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:42 pm**

do you need Avogadro's number to find degeneracy?

Posted: **Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:45 pm**

I think this is because we want to find one mole's worth, which is avagodros number in terms of atoms or molecules.

Posted: **Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:03 am**

You need to multiply N by Avogadro's number to calculate the degeneracy of N moles of a certain substance, but not to calculate that of N particles.

Posted: **Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:12 am**

yes you do

Posted: **Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:21 pm**

No, you don't need Avogadro's number to find degeneracy. You will only use Avogadro's number for degeneracy if you are finding the degeneracy of a mole of molecules.

Posted: **Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:00 pm**

You don't necessarily need to use Avogadro's constant to find degeneracy but if a question requires you to know the degeneracy of a mole of a substance, Avogadro's constant is needed for the value of the "number of particles" within the states.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:54 pm**

You would only need to apply Avogadro's number if the question asks you to find the degeneracy of a mole of the given substance.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:13 am**

Only if you are looking in the context of per mole.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:54 pm**

We do need to use Avogadro's number if we want to find the degeneracy of N moles of a certain substance. However, if you are simply calculating the degeneracy of a certain number of particles, you do not use Avogadro's number.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:56 pm**

Kaley Qin 1F wrote:No, you don't need Avogadro's number to find degeneracy. You will only use Avogadro's number for degeneracy if you are finding the degeneracy of a mole of molecules.

Well said here! Just like with the first law of thermodynamics, we need to consider context/all factores, here whether we are looking for degeneracy per mole or just amongst particles-- if you need to figure it out per mole, you'll need Avogadro's number.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:42 pm**

You would only need Avogadro's number if you were to find the degeneracy of a specific number of moles of a molecule, much like how you would only use Avogadro's number to find the mass of only one atom of an element when given the molar mass.

Posted: **Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:57 am**

Yes, if looking in terms of per mol

Posted: **Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:02 pm**

Yes, if you're working with moles.