Residual Entropy

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Maaria Abdel-Moneim 2G
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Residual Entropy

Postby Maaria Abdel-Moneim 2G » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 pm

When a problem asks to calculate the residual entropy that means to just use the equation S=kB*lnW, correct?

Lilyana Villa 3L
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Lilyana Villa 3L » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:25 pm

Yes, you are correct! If it says positional entropy, know that's just another way of saying residual entropy and you would still use that equation.

Pranav Kadiyala 1A
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Pranav Kadiyala 1A » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:25 pm

Yes, and W is the degeneracy, calculated O^n, where O is the number of energy states and n is the number of particles occupying these energy states.

Jenny Lee 2L
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Jenny Lee 2L » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:52 pm

In addition, residual entropy or positional entropy, ignores thermal energy (thus why we assume that T--> 0K although cannot be true in reality, because then nothing would be moving and we would only be looking at the places/positions substances could be in). This could be another way to recognize that residual entropy is just using S=kBlnW because it only relates entropy with degeneracy (# possible states)^(# particles).

LeanneBagood_2F
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby LeanneBagood_2F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:30 am

can someone remind me what residual entropy is please?

Sabrina Galvan 3J
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Sabrina Galvan 3J » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:41 pm

LeanneBagood_2F wrote:can someone remind me what residual entropy is please?

Residual entropy is the entropy that remains present when a system has reached 0 Kelvins, and the entropy itself comes from the different positions molecules and atoms can have within a substance.

Sharon Kim 2A
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Sharon Kim 2A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:44 pm

correct, you will be using that equation and ignore thermal disorder. usually residual entropy would be associated with more complex molecules.

Madison Muggeo 3H
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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Madison Muggeo 3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:55 am

Yep! You would be using that equation. In this class, we usually ignore thermal disorder, as that would make our calculations more complicated. Hope this helps!

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Re: Residual Entropy

Postby Norah Gidanian 3D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:53 am

Yes! residual entropy is that equation.


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