Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

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Jessica Lutz 2E
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Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

Postby Jessica Lutz 2E » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:36 pm

Some questions in the book (such as #47) ask you to find each of these values individually. What is the conceptual difference between each of these terms? and how what is different about how you calculate them?

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Re: Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

Postby vicenteruelos3 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:44 pm

one relation is that delta s of the system plus delta s of the surroundings is equal to delta s total

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Re: Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

Postby Lourick Bustamante 1B » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:13 pm

Yes, I agree with what is said above! DeltaS of the system added to the DeltaS of the surroundings are equal to the DeltaS total/universe. Some other points to remember are that if the calculated DeltaS total value is greater than 0, then the reaction being observed is spontaneous, and oppositely, if the DeltaS total value is less than 0, then the reaction being observed is not spontaneous. Lastly, when DeltaS = 0, then the system is at equilibrium.

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Re: Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

Postby Britney Alvey 1B » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:17 pm

I agree with the comments above. It is also worth noting that conceptually, deltaS(tot) is the change in entropy of the universe, the combination of deltaS and deltaS of the surroundings. DeltaS is the change in entropy of the system and deltaS(surr) is the change in entropy of the surroundings, meaning everything else besides the system.

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Re: Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

Postby Jessica Lutz 2E » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:17 pm

Britney Alvey 1B wrote:I agree with the comments above. It is also worth noting that conceptually, deltaS(tot) is the change in entropy of the universe, the combination of deltaS and deltaS of the surroundings. DeltaS is the change in entropy of the system and deltaS(surr) is the change in entropy of the surroundings, meaning everything else besides the system.


So when the question only asks for deltaS, do we assume they are asking for the change in entropy of the system? and if they want to know the change in entropy of the surroundings they will always specify deltaS(surr)?

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Re: Difference between deltaS(tot), deltaS and deltaS(surr)

Postby Justin Chu 1G » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:35 pm

Yes, when only deltaS is asked, it should be assumed to be the entropy change for the system only. Anything else would have to be specified.


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