Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

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Anna Lockhart 2B
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Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Anna Lockhart 2B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:06 pm

Is it fair to say that larger molecules will always have more disorder than smaller ones?

Blake Ballew 1H
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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Blake Ballew 1H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:12 pm

Yeah I think that is the general assumption that this class wants us to believe as the larger the molecule, the more ways it can move around in space and the more disorder that is therefore created.

Winzel Payumo 1B
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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Winzel Payumo 1B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:17 pm

Yes, since larger molecules have a greater number of combinations for their atoms to arrange themselves, which results to greater entropy! :)

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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Kelly Ha 1K » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:29 pm

Yes, larger and more complex molecules have more disorder since there is a greater number of possible microstates/positions available.

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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Kyle_Lee_2B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:31 pm

it is safe to say larger molecules have more disorder, but always be careful. you should always check its lewis structure. also, single elements are more disorderly if they are bigger with more electrons/protons/neutrons

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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Madeline Ogden 3B » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:58 pm

This is generally the right case due to positional disorder. Because the molecule is bigger, there is a greater amount of micro states available and therefore a greater amount of disorder can be achieved.

Eileen Quach Dis 2A
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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Eileen Quach Dis 2A » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:04 pm

Yes because they have more subatomic particles which means that they have a higher degeneracy, and therefore a higher entropy.

Hope Fan 2A
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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Hope Fan 2A » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:11 pm

Yes, since a larger molecule would have more subatomic molecules, and so there would be a higher degeneracy and a higher entropy as well.

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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Sara Sandri 2B » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:53 am

Yes it's fair to say that larger molecules have more disorder than smaller molecules. Their molecular complexity is greater. However, I'd like to point to one example that kind of confused me and that is important to not in context of this question. When comparing Ne (g) to NH3 (g), I initially thought Ne had higher molar entropy since its molar mass is larger than that of NH3. However, since NH3 is a molecule instead of a single atom like Ne, it has higher molar entropy even though its molar mass is smaller.

Kimiya Aframian IB
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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Kimiya Aframian IB » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:08 am

Anna Lockhart 2B wrote:Is it fair to say that larger molecules will always have more disorder than smaller ones?

Yes, I think this is true because when it is larger, there are more particles (ie. protons, neutrons, electrons) that can occupy different positions. Hope this helps!

Anirudh Mahadev 1G
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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Anirudh Mahadev 1G » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:39 pm

While more complexity is a really good reason for why larger molecules have more entropy, keep in mind it also has to do with the number of electrons. Molecules like diatomic iodine gas have more entropy than diatomic fluorine gas because it has a larger number of electrons even though complexity is relatively similar.

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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Mursall M 2A » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:42 pm

Yeah! I think of it in the same way because a more complex molecule will have more entropy/disorder. You can also consider the mass in the same way, the greater the mass, the greater the disorder.

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Re: Calculating Disorder based on molecule size

Postby Neha Jonnalagadda 2D » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:17 pm

Larger and more complex molecular have more disorder.


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