Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

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Lilyana Villa 3L
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Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Lilyana Villa 3L » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 pm

If we're given two different compounds and asked to determine which one has a higher molar entropy, would the larger molecule have a higher molar entropy since it would be more complex? Also, do we take into consideration the state of the compound (ex. gas, liquid, solid) when trying to figure out which one has a higher molar entropy, and if we do, how do we do that? I hope these questions make sense! Thank you in advance!

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Pranav Kadiyala 1A » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:31 pm

Gases have higher entropy than liquids, which have higher entropy than solids. This is prioritized and the most important. If the substances are in the same state, however, their complexity does matter, like you said - # of atoms, #of bonds, even # of electrons, potentially. Anything that adds complexity would increase entropy.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Aayushi Jani 3A » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:35 pm

Yes, so a larger molecule (heavier molecule) has higher entropy since the energy levels are closer together, meaning they are more accessible. Complex molecules also have higher entropy (as seen through W since they would be able to occupy more orientations/positions). Ranking from highest entropy to lowest: gases > liquids > solids because entropy decreases as rigidity increases.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Tessa House 3A » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:53 am

The size of the molecule does affect the entropy because larger molecules will have more degeneracy. Molecules with larger masses also have higher entropies. You are correct that the entropy of gases, liquids, and solids have different entropies because the entropy of a gas is significantly higher than that of a liquid, which is also higher than the entropy of a solid. I believe some other factors like whether the molecule has double or single bonds also play a role because double bonds are not free to rotate, unlike single bonds, meaning their entropy wouldn't be as high as single bonds.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Ximeng Guo 2K » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:57 pm

Generally, delta S of gas > liquid > solid. The IMFs also affect delta S as well.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Gian Boco 2G » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:14 pm

Yes, take into account the phase (gas>liquid>solid) and the size/complexity of the particle. The larger/more complex, the greater the standard molar entropy.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Madison Muggeo 3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:57 am

I would say that the phases of the compounds should be taken into account first, so solid<liquid<gas. Entropy also increases with more complex molecules, which is something else to look out for.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby darchen3G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:21 am

Assuming molecules are all of the same state (solid/liquid/gas,) you need to know the number of conformations of the molecule. For example, a linear molecule would have lower entropy than a bent one.

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Ivy Tan 1E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:53 pm

Hi!
You're right about more complex molecules having higher molar entropy (molar entropy increases with molar mass). The state of the compound should also be taken into account: solids have the least amount of molar entropy, then liquids, then gases, which have the highest molar entropy. Hope this helps!

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Re: Comparing Molar Entropies of Different Compounds

Postby Brian Nguyen 2I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:22 pm

Yes, larger molecules have more complexity and thus have more entropy. Also, gases will have more entropy than liquids, and liquids will have more entropy than solids. Solids have the least entropy out of the phases.


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