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Delta G and G naught

Postby lwon Dis2I » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:34 pm

What is the difference between Delta G and Delta G naught? And how do you know which equation to use in problems?

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Chem_Mod » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:47 pm

DeltaG naught is deltaG at standard conditions. You will not always be doing reactions at standard conditions so we have an equation to convert between the two. Problems that ask for dG naught will typically ask for dG of a reaction done under standard conditions

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Dominic Benna 2E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:20 pm

Delta G naught is at standard conditions. You will know to use this in your equation if they give the standard condition values or say that the system is under standard conditions.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Sedge Greenlee » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:37 pm

As others have stated deltaGo is the deltaGunder standard conditions. However, I think what's most important to remember about the relationship between deltaGo and deltaG is that they can be used to find each other given Q as deltaG = deltaGo + RTln(Q).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Justin Nguyen 3E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:40 pm

As the others said, ΔG naught is the change in gibbs free energy at standard conditions as opposed to ΔG. What helped me distinguish when to use the equation for these terms was that you usually have to find ΔG naught when given K and ΔG when just giving either Q, or the concentrations/pressures of the reactions and products.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Claire_Latendresse_1E » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:41 pm

Also, it's good to note that STP (standard temperature and pressure) is 273 K (or 0°C) for temperature and 1 atm for pressure. :)

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Nayra Gharpetian 3F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:46 pm

Delta G is at standard conditions. standard conditions are 1 atm and 298 K (room temp, 25 degree Celsius)

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Ariel Guan 1H » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:16 pm

Delta G naught is at standard conditions, meaning 273K (temp) and 1 atm.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Shruti Kulkarni 2I » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:20 pm

Delta G naught is the standard reaction Gibbs free energy. If the reaction is not occurring at standard conditions, then regular gibbs free energy is used, which takes into account variations in the temperature, pressure, and anything else.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Ritika Prasad 1A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:57 pm

Also remember in addition to deltaG = deltaGo + RTln(Q), deltaG equals 0 at equilibrium, which gives you deltaGo = -RTln(K) at equilbrium!

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby VincentLe_3A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:34 pm

Delta G naught is the change in Gibbs free energy at standard conditions, whereas Delta G is the change at a specific condition. The key to determining which to use is to see if standard condition values are given or if the system is at equilibrium, then that means Delta G is zero.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Joel Meza 3I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:16 am

Delta G is the change in Gibbs free energy at any conditions, while delta G naught is the change in Gibbs free energy change at standard conditions (e.g. 298K and 1 atm).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Astha Sahoo 3I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Delta G not is at standard conditions, and delta G is at any temperature. You can use delta g not to find the delta g at other temperatures

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Kristina Krivenko 3I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:13 pm

The main difference between delta G and delta G naught is that delta G naught is delta G at standard conditions (1atm and 25 degrees Celsius / 298.15 K).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Olivia Monroy 1A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:22 pm

Delat G naught is change in Gibbs free energy under standard conditions (1 atm, 298 K), while delta G is not in these conditions. Delta G naught can be used to find delta G, equations are included on the eq/constant sheet to calculate the two.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby sophia kosturos 2B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:00 pm

delta G refers to Gibbs free energy. While delta G naught refers to standard Gibbs free energy, which is free energy at standard conditions (298 K and 1 atm).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby RitaThomas_3G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:01 pm

Using the information that many people have stated above, I think its also important to note that if delta G is negative it is spontaneous, and positive is not spontaneous. However, knowing the sign of delta G naught does not prove spontaneity. Because, according to the equation for delta G, there are other factors that might affect the reaction.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Vivian_Le_1L » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:52 pm

Delta G naught is the change in Gibbs free energy at standard conditions (1 atm and 25 degrees Celsius/298.15 K) , whereas Delta G is the change at a specific condition.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Simran Bains 2C » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Delta G naught is at standard conditions, whereas Delta G isn't at standard conditions necessarily.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Kyle Dizon 3A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:08 pm

Delta G simply just refers to the free energy of the system. The delta G naught often refers to a more specific standard conditions of free energy.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Griffin G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:16 pm

Anything "naught" is typically at standard conditions. Most things don't occur under standard conditions, so you would have to use deltaG instead. Think of deltaGnaught as like, the unobtainable ideal.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Sahaj Patel Lec3DisK » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:20 pm

Delta G is Gibbs free energy while Delta G naught is the standard Gibbs free energy. Its delta G that tells you if a system is at equilibrium (if it equals 0), not delta G naught.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Joshua Chung 2D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:36 pm

Delta G naught is simply Delta G under standard conditions (273 K / 0˚C, 1 atm).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Lauren Sarigumba 1K » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:49 pm

Delta G nought is fixed for a given reaction and temperature and so it does not change as the reaction proceeds. Delta G, on the other hand, depends on the composition of the reaction mixture and so it varies as the reaction proceeds.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Ellison Gonzales 1H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:22 pm

Do Delta G and Delta naught have the same units? Or does it depend on the situation?

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Adrienne Chan 1G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:23 pm

@Ellison I believe delta G and delta G naught can have the same units! Usually it's kJ/mol

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Hasan Mirza 3F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:27 pm

Naught is telling you that the system is at standard conditions of temperature and pressure.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Ranen_Chang_2G » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:25 pm

is at standard conditions (298K and 1atm). You can use the equation = +RTlnQ to determine its relationship.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Sara Sandri 2B » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:02 am

Delta G nott is under standard conditions while delta G (no nott) is under not standard conditions.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Jason Knight - 1F » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:15 am

Delta G naught is the value when applied under standard conditions. Delta G refers to the free energy of the system and is dependent on variables such as temperature and where the reaction proceeds.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Brian Bui 3H » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:15 am

The little degree sign that reads "naught" represents standard conditions, so Delta G Naught is Delta G at standard conditions. (Same thing goes for Delta H Naught and Delta S Naught)

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Vanessa Perez » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:26 am

Sedge Greenlee wrote:As others have stated deltaGo is the deltaGunder standard conditions. However, I think what's most important to remember about the relationship between deltaGo and deltaG is that they can be used to find each other given Q as deltaG = deltaGo + RTln(Q).

So if deltaG = 0, does that mean that deltaGo= RTln(Q) ? Or does that relationship not exist?

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby 305572629 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:20 pm

Delta G by itself is the free energy of a particular system; Delta G naught is the standard conditions of free energy for a system.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Mursall M 2A » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:47 pm

Delta G naught is when the reaction is in standard conditions and the reaction is at equilibrium, whereas Delta G is at any moment during a reaction!

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Madison Wong 3H » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:49 pm

Delta G naught is under standard conditions, while G can change as the reaction progresses.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Tiao Tan 3C » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:59 pm

∆Gº is ∆G at standard conditions, while ∆G can be under any conditions and they vary with the conditions.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby BoparaiAdeshsurjit2F » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:25 am

Whenever there is naught means we are talking about Standard Conditions.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Sedge Greenlee » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:32 pm

Vanessa Perez wrote:
Sedge Greenlee wrote:As others have stated deltaGo is the deltaGunder standard conditions. However, I think what's most important to remember about the relationship between deltaGo and deltaG is that they can be used to find each other given Q as deltaG = deltaGo + RTln(Q).

So if deltaG = 0, does that mean that deltaGo= RTln(Q) ? Or does that relationship not exist?


Well, since when deltaG = 0, the system is at equilibrium, so Q would = K. This means that the relationship isn't deltaGo = -RTlnQ but instead deltaGo = -RTlnK (an equation on our constants sheet)!

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby DPatel_2L » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:33 pm

G naught is under standard conditions.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Edgar Velazquez 2K » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:39 pm

Whenever you see a naught, that means that the problem is occurring at standard conditions.

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Aria Movassaghi 1A » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:20 pm

Delta g naught is delta g at standard conditions

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Brian Acevedo 2E » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:32 pm

refers to the change in Gibbs Free Energy, whereas refers to the change in Gibbs Free Energy under standard conditions (P=1 atm, T=273K).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Annabella_Amato_1I » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:31 pm

delta G naught is delta G under standard conditions

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Gicelle Rubin 1E » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:39 pm

As others have said, Delta G naught is at standard conditions :)

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Yun Su Choi 3G » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 pm

One difference between the two is that deltaG naught isn't always equal to 0 at equilibrium (negative when K>1, positive when K<1, and 0 when K=1) while delta G is equal to 0 at equilibrium (no work done).

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Jacquelyn Challis 2B » Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:55 pm

What are standard conditions?

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Re: Delta G and G naught

Postby Diana Aguilar 3H » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:47 pm

Like many have stated, delta G naught is at standard conditions, while delta G is not


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