Gas Constant R






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Gas Constant R

Postby lwon Dis2I » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:36 pm

Do we always use the gas constant R of 8.314 for nRT equations?

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Varsha Ravi 3E » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:48 pm

For problems where we want a result in J, we usually use 8.314. For PV = nRT, and other types of calculations where we don't need an answer in J, we usually use a different gas constant.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Chem_Mod » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:48 pm

No, you want to be aware of the units.
R= 8.314 J/mol.K or R= 008206 L.atm/mol.K
Make sure you have the units of each calculation listed so you know which you need to use

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby 905290504 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:27 pm

I recommend always writing out your units in your equations to make it easier to identify which R to use

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Tikva Cohen 1K » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:28 pm

that's normally the case, but don't make that assumption because you don't wanna mess yourself up. always use whichever one cancels all the right units out.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Samudrala_Vaishnavi 3A » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:32 pm

Yes, we usually use the gas constant so we can get our final value in moles. However, we use the 8.026 times 10^-2 value whenever we try to derive any values from the ideal gas equation since those values aren't in joules.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby JaesalSoma1E » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm

My trick for remembering is to use 8.314 when solving for energy or joules and using 0.08206 when solving for moles, volume, temperature, or pressure.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Mary Shih 3J » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:36 pm

usually yes because that equation doesn't account for volume (0.082 value). Write out the units for the other numbers to check for unit cancellation when you are unsure.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Jordan Tatang 3L » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:10 pm

No, you want to look at the units and make sure that the gas constant you are using applies to the corresponding units.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Keeryth Sandhu 1H » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:24 pm

I recommend writing out the units and then picking which gas constant works best with those units

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby AustinMcBrideDis3L » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:25 pm

General rule of thumb: use .08206 for when you are using PV=nRT, and use 8.314 for every other situation!

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Allan Nguyen 2G » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:38 pm

It really just depends what you want your answer to end in. 8.314 is typically used when you want your answer to end in joules.
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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby SophiaJenny3I » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:14 pm

Hi! Not necessarily. Always make sure you write out the units you have, and observe the unit you want and make sure everything else cancels out. This has helped me make sure I don't choose the wrong one! 8.314 is usually used when you want to end in J/kJ if you convert it.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Kelly Tran 1J » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:23 pm

The R you would use depends on the units! Use R = 8.314 J/mol.K or R = 0.08206 L.atm/mol.K depending on the units of the other terms.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby austin-3b » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:07 am

Depends on what you are trying to find. If joules, use 8.314, if not then you use 0.0821.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby LeanneBagood_2F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:51 am

i think the easiest way to know which value of R to use is to look at the units of the other values you are given in the question. based on that, you can determine which R value to use as your objective is to cancel things out so you are left with the correct units for your answer.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Carly_Lipschitz_3H » Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:00 am

It really depends on what you want your end value to be in units. If you are trying to get joules, then use 8.314. Make sure the gas constant you are using works with the units you are given with and trying to find.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Navdha Sharma 3J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:01 am

The value of R which has to be used depends on the units: 8.314 J mol-1 K-1 or 0.08206 L.atm mol-1 K-1
Also, you don't have to remember these, just look it up on the equation sheet!

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Leyla Anwar 3B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:32 pm

The R's are actually the same just calculated with differnt units, typically you use R=0.0821 for PV=nRT but if you want J then you would use R=8.314. It's all about units.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Kayla Booker 1F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:33 pm

It depends on the units of the other variable, you want to use the R value that allows units to cancel out.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Ivy Tan 1E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:47 pm

Hi!
It depends on what the units are in your calculations, so sometimes you will use R=8.314 J/Kmol and sometimes you will use R=0.08206 Latm/Kmol. Usually if you're using the PV=nRT equation for an ideal gas calculation, you'll use 0.08206 Latm/Kmol because the units match up with the other units in the equation. Hope this helps!

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Olivia Smith 2E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:50 pm

As everyone has said it all depends on units. If the problem is asking for energy then it will most likely be the 8.314 one you use as it includes joules. If the problem is not asking for energy then you will use the other two values depending on the units for pressure

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Arnav Saud 2C » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:13 pm

When working with the gas constant R, the most important thing you need to look at are the units that you have and the ones you need to find. For example, if you know the pressure, temperature, mass(in mols) and need to find the volume, you'll want to use the 8.206E-2 value.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby RitaThomas_3G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:09 pm

Hey! So initially I was confused with this concept too, but then I found that it was easiest to see what units I needed for my final answer. Then, I used the R value which allowed me to get the desired result (by cancelling out units that I needed).

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Kyle Dizon 3A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:11 pm

The only way I am surviving the calculations right now is referring to the units. Use the equation sheet to refer to the proper units to identify the correct steps to get the units needed.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Lauren Mungo 1K » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:19 pm

No you have to use the R values that corresponds to the units given in the problem

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Colin Squire 3B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:34 pm

The gas constant really depends on the units you need to cancel in order to find what you want. This can also mean changing the given value in J to kJ so that we a can minimize the amount of conversions done.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Nicole Critzer 2L » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:50 pm

The gas constant you use depends on the units of the given information. So far it seems that most of the problems we've been given do use the 8.314 J/ (K*mol) so I wouldn't stress about it too much. However just make sure to know which constant to use should you be given something in units that differ from this R value.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Alejandro Gonzalez 2G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:34 pm

The gas constant you use depends on the units you have to convert to in the problem, whether they be L*atm, J, L*Torr, etc.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Megan ODonnell 3F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:36 pm

It depends on what units are given or what units the desired value is.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Crystal Pan 2G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:46 pm

It depends on what the problem is asking. You typically should look at the units to determine which gas constant R to use.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Mansi Solanki 3A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:49 pm

We use 8.314 for the nRT equations that involve work or entropy because we want the final result to be in Jules (J). However, when we just want to use the ideal gas law, we use 0.0821 because the units are atm*L/mol*K

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Hannah Lechtzin 1K » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:51 pm

We typically use 8.314 for equations involving energy change (Joules). For the ideal gas law we usually go for one of the other R constants, depending on which one best fits the units we are using.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Queena Chu 3E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:52 pm

Most of the time yes. But make sure to remember the units and make sure they end up canceling out.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Nick Saeedi 1I » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:33 pm

8.314 is only used when the final answer you are trying to get is in joules.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Jerry_T » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:36 pm

The gas constant used depends on the desired units for your final answer. If it includes joules, then 8.314 is suitable.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Taha 2D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:36 pm

it depends on the units you used to solve the question. the two options are R= 8.314 J/mol.K or R= 008206 L.atm/mol.K

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Charmaine Ng 2D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:49 pm

Taha 2D wrote:it depends on the units you used to solve the question. the two options are R= 8.314 J/mol.K or R= 008206 L.atm/mol.K


I agree! Generally, we usually use 8.314, while 0.08206 is used for PV=nRT. That's just generally though, so it's always safer to check by units

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Aria Movassaghi 1A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:51 pm

Not necessarily, it depends more on units. Eg: if joules are in the problem, it is probably going to be the 8.314 value for R.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Joanna Huang » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:57 pm

It depends on the units, but usually yes, we use 8.314!

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Sam Wentzel 1F 14B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:59 pm

No, use .08206

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Tiao Tan 3C » Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:05 pm

I usually look at the units given in the problems to determine which R value to use. For example, if we want our answer to be in J, use 8.314.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby DPatel_2L » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:11 pm

Use the value with the same units in the problem.

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Re: Gas Constant R

Postby Moura Girgis 1F » Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:51 pm

It ultimately depends on the units. 8.314 tends to be used for energy problems which deal with joules, while 0.08206 is used for problems with volume, moles, pressure, or temperature.


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