Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2


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Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Bryce Ramirez 1J » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:25 pm

Do we need to be aware of any technical changes to the formula if we decide to use Kelvins vs Celcius in the calculations for temperature in both T1 and T2? Or should we just stick with Kelvin to be safe?

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Tracy Tolentino_2E » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:30 pm

I say stick to Kelvin because that is typically what we use. Plus in most equations, the gas constant is in the equation which is 8.314 J/(K * mol).

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby 005206171 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:15 am

Always use kelvin. You won’t get the right answer if you use Celsius

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby gconcha » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:20 am

Always always always use Kelvin. Most standard konstants that we use are set for Kelvin, as well -- and I wouldn't suggest that you use the R values (for example) that use Celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby kennedyp » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:12 am

I think it's safe to always use Kelvin unless told otherwise. Chemistry pretty much prefers Kelvin over other temperatures.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Jessa Maheras 4F » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:19 am

KElviN!!!!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Nawal Dandachi 1G » Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:21 am

you should always convert to Kelvin

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Joshua Swift » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:45 pm

Kelvin is most likely going to be the correct unit, so I would convert to K first.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Melanie Lin 3E » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:55 pm

I'd say your best bet is to always convert to Kelvin. I don't think you get the correct answer with Celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Bryan Le 2K » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:31 pm

You should use Kelvin and not Celcius since the R constant is in terms of K.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Nick Saeedi 1I » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:33 pm

I always use Kelvin because I dont want to risk getting the incorrect answer using celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Gillian Gabrielsen2F » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:33 pm

Some problems it's okay to use Celsius, but it's good to get into the habit of using Kelvin. Most of the time, using Celsius will give the wrong answer. To be sure, make sure you write out your units and double check that they cancel out correctly.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Evelyn Silva 3J » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:37 pm

I use Kelvin all the time because if you need to use the gas constant somewhere in the problem it won't work with Celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Justin Zhang_1A » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:38 pm

You should always use Kelvin unless the question explicitly states to use Celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Isabella Cortes 2H » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:11 pm

I always convert to Kelvins just to be safe!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Alexis Sanft 1E » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:16 pm

You generally stick to Kelvin but there was a sapling question that asked for the answer in terms of Celsius, so just make sure you double check to see what the question is actually asking for.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Isabel_Eslabon_2G » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:36 pm

I usually always convert to Kelvin because most of our constants use Kelvin. Unless a constant given specifically uses Celsius or the question asks you to use/give your answer in Celsius, just use Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Kaili Valenzuela 2B » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:39 pm

I say stick to Kelvin since most of the constants we use are in Kelvin!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby BoparaiAdeshsurjit2F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:30 am

I would stick with kelvin as in order to cancel temperature in our formula the gas constants usually have kelvin as the denominator.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Amanda Chang 2B » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:07 pm

For this formula, Kelvin. A good rule of thumb whenever wondering what units of temperature to use in general is to look at the units of the constants you are using. For example, specific heat can sometimes be in Celsius while R is usually in Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Katie Lam 2J » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:10 pm

For this formula, I would stick to Kelvin. I think it is useful to convert to units that match any constants in the formula. This makes it easier to avoid mistakes with units in your final answer too.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Chloe Shamtob 2H » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:13 pm

For this formula, you should always convert celsius to kelvin. I have often made that mistake in the past and have got a question wrong, So make sure you convert your temperatures to kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Brianna Chen 3F » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:44 pm

Since the formula does not indicate a change in temperature, you cannot interchange Celsius and Kelvin. Therefore, you would have to only use Kelvins in this case because the units cancel out with the gas constant, R.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Stephanie Zhang 2K » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:46 pm

For that specific formula, I would definitely use Kelvin! This is because you're looking at the ratio of T2/T1, and so the ratio would be different if you're using ˚C versus Kelvin.

For things that are asking for the change in temperature, such as q=mC∆T, that's when you can use either ˚C or Kelvin, since the same in temperature will be the same with either ˚C or Kelvin (from ˚C+273.15=K). Otherwise, especially when you have to do ratios, use Kelvin units. Hope this helped!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Ximeng Guo 2K » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:40 pm

Use Kelvin. K=C+273

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Edison Tham 3D » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:28 pm

You would have to use Kelvin only, since the units of Kelvin need to cancel out with the gas constant R, as well as how it's not interchangeable since it's not a "change" in temperature but rather the two temperatures itself.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Sabrina Galvan 3J » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:07 pm

The usage of kelvin or celsius will depend on the other units of the other values in the equation. You would want them all to match, so only use kelvin, if the other values also include kelvin units and vice versa for celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Ritika Prasad 1A » Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:09 pm

Are there ever any problems where we could end up with a wrong answer if we use Kelvin?

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Rajshree 1F » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:41 pm

Use Kelvin because the R value also uses Kelvin

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Sophia Spungin 2E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:10 pm

unless the value for temperature is a change in temperature (ie ∆T as in the equation q=mC∆T), then it matters whether you use K or Celcius. For most equations that use a value of R, temperature must be in Kelvin, so a safe bet would be to convert to Kelvin however it is always important to look at the units of the other values/constants when deciding. Again, C and K are only interchangeable when talking about change in temperature, in all other cases you must determine the appropriate units.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Mackenzie Van Val 3E » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:25 pm

It is always better to use Kelvin since it is the SI unit for temperature. Also, since R is units of J/mol*K, you want to use Kelvin so that the units cancel out.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Jamie2002 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:57 pm

You should use Kelvin for most calculations, including this one!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Kyle Dizon 3A » Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Possibly using kelvin will be the most reliable answer instead of celsius. If you are given celsius, simply convert to kelvin by adding 273. It is also important to remember to use the proper units for the R constant.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Naomi Hernandez-Ramirez 1J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:16 pm

I usually use Kelvin and if the problem gives me temperature in Celsius then I just convert.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby MariaCassol1L » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:34 pm

You should use Kelvin in the van't Hoff equation. If you forget just look at the units in the gas constant which are given in kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Lauren Strickland 1B » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:36 pm

I think you would use Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Can Yilgor 2D » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:40 pm

I believe using Kelvin, in this case, is a safer option.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Crystal Pan 2G » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:45 pm

It depends on which constant you're using. Typically the constant is R = 8.314 J/ Kxmol, so you would have to use Kelvins in that case.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Jiayi Wu 3J » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:59 pm

Sometimes I found that I don't need to convert to Kelvins in order to get the right answer. Just make sure that your units are consistent. It's always good to write down the units in your equations.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Gabe_Ek 1G » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:03 am

I believe using Kelvin is the safe option. But I know at time it's okay to use Celsius because both units have the same degree of change.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Sydney Sullivan 2J » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:06 am

The safest bet is to always use Kelvin. That being said, if you are finding the difference between T1 and T2 (such as when calculating heat absorbed or released using mcΔT), it will not matter which one you use.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Siwa Hwang 3G » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:21 am

it depends on the unit of ideal gas number or specific heat capacity

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Aanya Tanti 3C » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:27 am

Use Kelvin just to be safe!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Violet Kwan 3H » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:01 am

It is best to use Kelvin just to be safe

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Gabriel Nitro 1E » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:55 am

Hi,

A good rule of thumb is always use Kelvin for your thermodynamic equations. In MOST (not all) cases, we have to use Kelvins because the constants we are given (such as the ideal gas constant) are expressed in terms of Kelvin (this ensures it cancels out for your final answer).

Hope this helps! :)

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Sid Panda 3A » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:53 am

personally, i use kelvin as a default for almost every equation we have to use.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby sophie esherick 3H » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:13 am

I would use Kelvin depending on the units of the problem, for example, if you have to use the ideal gas constant (8.3145 J K^-1*mol^-1) then use Kelvin. However, if you are doing a problem where you use q = m*c*delta T, the delta T is the same whether you have Celsius or kelvin so you can keep your temperature in Celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby FrancescaHawkins2H » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:43 am

I would be sure to convert to Kelvin if temperature in given in Celsius because K is the standard unit and is used in most equations involving temperature. However, as someone above mentioned, the unit shouldn't matter if you are using delta T, or the difference in temperature, because the difference should be the same regardless of the units.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby RyanKopeikin_2I » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:29 am

For this formula you need to use Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Madeline Ogden 3B » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:03 pm

You should be using kelvin for T1 and T2. If you ever forget which one to use, I advise writing all of your units out for each variable in the equation and making sure they all cross out in the end leaving you only with the desired unit(s) for the problem.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Halle Villalobos 3E » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:59 pm

Hi! I always stick to kelvin since most constants use K. It doesn't hurt to spend the few extra seconds to convert!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Sukhkiran Kaur 3I » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:13 pm

Always use Kelvin!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby jia207 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:45 pm

For most calculations in this class, you should use kelvin

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Susan Chamling 1F » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:17 pm

I prefer staying with Kelvin mainly because most of the units involved in calculations include Kelvin rather than Celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Lesly Lopez 3A » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:21 pm

From experience I think it's safe to always use Kelvin unless told otherwise. It is a simple step but can be easily forgotten.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Teti Omilana 1G » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:43 pm

I'm pretty sure you are supposed to always use Kelvin for this class.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Jordan Tatang 3L » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:10 pm

I believe you should be using temp in Kelvin if using 8.341 for R constant.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Namratha Gujje » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:49 pm

It would be the safest option to just stick with Kelvin unless it specifically says otherwise.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Kyla Roche 2K » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:41 am

Stick with Kelvin! But make sure the units of the gas constant you use are the same.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Kimiya Aframian IB » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:54 am

Bryce Ramirez 1J wrote:Do we need to be aware of any technical changes to the formula if we decide to use Kelvins vs Celcius in the calculations for temperature in both T1 and T2? Or should we just stick with Kelvin to be safe?

Hi! I think that it is the most safe to use Kelvin but always try to check if there are any units that suggest you would need to use Celsius. Also, when subtracting temperatures it does not matter what unit you are using because it will always be the same difference. Hope this helps!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Sara Sandri 2B » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:59 am

Usually we should use kelvin for temperature (especially for the Van Hoff equation) but for thermo in general, you have to pay attention to the units of other things you are using to solve the problem. For example, the specific heat capacity of liquid water is 4.184 J/g degrees C so you would use celsius for delta T (even though technically delta T would be the same for Kelvin and Celsius). Just pay attention to the units of other things you are using.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Jason Knight - 1F » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:04 am

Stick to Kelvin when using equations. This is especially true when using the natural log function in our formulas as you will receive a wrong answer if using celsius.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby DPatel_2L » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:27 pm

Use Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Arnav Saud 2C » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:14 pm

You should stick with kelvin because most of the common/most used constants in this class use kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Nan_Guan_1L » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:26 pm

i think kelvin is a safer choice, since all the formulas were created using kelvin basically. using celsius would cause an issue with the units not matching up, and you would have to switch all other components that are related to temperature from kelvin to celsius. that sounds like a lot of extra work

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby LovepreetSran_3H » Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:28 pm

Always stick to kelvin!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby arisawaters2D » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:17 pm

Is there any condition in thermodynamics where we should use Celcius over kelvin in an equation?

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Randi Ruelas 1G » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:24 am

I believe our answers should always be in kelvin, unless celsius is specifically asked, the formulas always use kelvin though

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Diana Aguilar 3H » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:57 pm

I believe that we should always have temperature in units of Kelvin since using Celsius might give you issues with your answer and units, so unless the question directly asks for the units to be in celsius, just stick to using Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Ashwin Vasudevan 3A » Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:29 pm

Using Kelvin for calculation is better as the units cancel out in most circumstances when using Kelvin. There are some circumstances where it asks for the difference in temperature or Delta T and in that circumstance Kelvin and Celsius are the same. It is still better to use Kelvin though.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Samantha Loc 1B » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:56 pm

I believe kelvin is used!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Tara Cumiskey 3K » Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:48 pm

I believe you are suppose to use kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Diana Avalos » Sat Feb 19, 2022 10:18 pm

I recommend you to use Kelvin only. If the question asks for celsius, then convert it!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Diya Kar » Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:18 pm

In most thermodynamic calculations referencing delta G, H, or S, kelvins are used. Thus, for Tl and T2 calculations, kelvins should be optimized.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Crystal Ma 2J » Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:28 pm

You should use Kelvin!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Caitlyn Lo 2F » Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:54 pm

Use Kelvin. But definitely make sure to look at which units are being given and make sure that they are being converted to the right units

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Chris Korban 1D » Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:50 pm

I would probably use kelvin just to look safe and to make sure there are no small technical errors

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Genelle Marcelino-Searles 2G » Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:02 pm

We should usually use Kelvin, and you can remember this by seeing the units of R.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Valerie Jun 2D » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:12 am

For basically all calculations in chemistry we use kelvin! if the problem you are solving requires delta t it is okay to use celsius to calculate change in temperature because the units of change for celsius and kelvin are the same, kelvin is jsut 273 values greater.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Keanu Ngo 3B » Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:39 am

You should stick to Kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby eriko vong 3D » Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:16 pm

I think Kelvin should be used, unless the problem states otherwise

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Elliana_Tsang_1L » Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:33 pm

Make sure to use Kelvin, since you want to make sure the units cancel out. The units of the gas constant are J*mol^-1*K, so you have to convert the temperature to Kelvin to solve the problem.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby rayirfan » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:04 pm

Typically, always use Kelvin in calculations. The only case you can use Celsius is whether it is specified in the answer/units or when there is a change in temperature, since a degree in celsius = a degree in kelvin.

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Kylie Heering 1D » Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:19 pm

Rule of thumb is the always use Kelvins, but pay attention to units! For example, if you're using a heat capacity value that has celsius in its units, then use celsius. If your looking for deltaT, it doesn't really matter because you are just looking for the difference between Tfinal and Tinitial, which would be the same for both Kelvins and celsius. With that said, a lot of times constants related to thermodynamics (like R, the gas constant), have Kelvins in their units--so use kelvins so that it'll match!

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Re: Celcius vs Kelvin for T1 and T2

Postby Emma Fernandez 1C » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:18 pm

I would always convert to Kelvin, unless it is specifically told in units of Celsius!


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