Entropy


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Rhea Shah 2F
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Entropy

Postby Rhea Shah 2F » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:54 pm

Can we use the van't hoff equation to calculate entropy, or would we use a different equation to calculate entropy over a temperature change?

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Re: Entropy

Postby Chris Tai 1B » Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:13 pm

This depends on which form of the Van't hoff equation you're using. You can use the van't hoff equation to indirectly solve for the enthalpy of a reaction over a given temperature range, since the equation relates two different equilibrium constants at two different temperatures with there being a factor of deltaH/R.
However, you could also use the form of the equation that relates one equilibrium constant to a reaction at a singular temperature, in which you're also able to solve for the entropy at that given temperature.
ln(K) = -deltaH/RT + deltaS/R

Ayushi2011
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Re: Entropy

Postby Ayushi2011 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:09 pm

I would calculate deltaH and then use deltaG = deltaH - TdeltaS to find entropy.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Felicia Wei 1B » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:05 pm

This definitely would just depend on what you are given in a question. If it provides the values needed to solve for entropy I assume it's possible but typically the Van't Hoff equations are used to find K at different temperatures.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Alex Benson » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:06 pm

A situation like this depends on the values that you are given, but I think that in most cases the delta G = delta H - T delta S would be best.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Siwa Hwang 3G » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:37 am

I believe that entropy is constant when using the Van Hoff’s equation so you should apply different equation to calculate the change in entropy

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Re: Entropy

Postby Inderpal Singh 2L » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:52 pm

I would use delta(G) = delta(H) - Tdelta(S) to find entropy for most cases.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Juliet Cushing_2H » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:58 pm

I don't think that using the Van't Hoff equation is the best way to calculate ΔS because the equation is set up such that the ΔS terms cancel. So I imagine you'd be left with an expression like x=x and the ΔS term falls off.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Sai Ramadas 1J » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:50 pm

Siwa Hwang 3G wrote:I believe that entropy is constant when using the Van Hoff’s equation so you should apply different equation to calculate the change in entropy

Actually, Professor Lavelle addressed this in Friday's lecture. Only change in entropy is constant when using Van't Hoff equations. Entropy will still change because it is temperature dependent.

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Re: Entropy

Postby jessicasilverstein1F » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:54 am

I agree i think it depends on what values you are given

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Re: Entropy

Postby 905290504 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:25 pm

i would just stick to using vant hoff for K or the variables that are already in the equation

Mackenzie Stockton 2H
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Re: Entropy

Postby Mackenzie Stockton 2H » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:26 pm

to calculate entropy, use

delta G = delta H - T delta S

hope this helps!

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Re: Entropy

Postby 305614361 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:58 pm

You can use the van't hoff equation to indirectly solve for the enthaply of a reaction

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Re: Entropy

Postby Tara Cumiskey 3K » Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:51 pm

Entropy is constant when using the van't Hoff equation, so I would probably suggest you use a different equation to find the entropy.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Brandon Padilla 2L » Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:57 am

It could depend, but the safest option is to always use delta G = delta H - T delta S to calculate entropy.

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Re: Entropy

Postby Macy_Anderson_2F » Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:25 am

I would use delta G = delta H - T*delta S to solve for S

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Re: Entropy

Postby Naomi Christian 1E » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:07 am

It really depends on what values you are given in the problem. This equation is a bit more complicated so I would just use deltaG=deltaH-TdeltaS because it is more straightforward.

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Re: Entropy

Postby daniellediem1k » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:13 am

i think it's best to use deltaG=deltaH-(T)deltaS to find entropy

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Re: Entropy

Postby Michelle Argueta 1E » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:03 am

You can use that equation but most convenient would be delta(G) = delta(H) - Tdelta(S).


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