Kinetic control

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AMahadi
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Kinetic control

Postby AMahadi » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:40 am

How does the concept of "kinetic control" or "kinetically controlled reactions" work?

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby ShravanPatel2B » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:27 pm

The potential outcome of a reaction is usually influenced by the rate of product formation which are kinetic factors

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Tauhid Islam- 1H » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:19 pm

If a reaction is kinetically controlled, that means generally, the temperature is low so the reaction is not controlled by thermodynamic properties but by the kinetics or by the rate of products that can be formed. On the other hand, if a reaction is thermodynamically controlled, the reaction is controlled by the thermodynamic properties of the reaction, and that generally happens at higher temperatures.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Owen-Koetters-4I » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:14 pm

the potential outcome can be controlled by the rate of formation of product which is a kinetic factor

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Nicoli Peiris 1B » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:04 pm

It means even if the reaction is thermodynamically unstable or even stable, the reaction will proceed or exist in the form that is not predicted by thermodynamics but is predicted by kinetics.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Hasan Mirza 3F » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:04 pm

The rate of formation is a kinetic factor that controls the potential outcome.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Sejal Parsi 3K » Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:16 am

The potential outcome can be controlled by the rate of formation of the product which would be the kinetic factor.

Chris 1C
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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Chris 1C » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:30 am

The reaction is controlled by the rate of formation rather than thermodynamics which we learned last quarter.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Joshua Eidam 2A » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:52 pm

An example that Lavelle gave in lecture was how carbon in the form of a diamond is not as thermodynamically favored as carbon in the form of graphite; however, because of the large energy barrier between the two forms of carbon, the carbon will likely stay in diamond form as becoming graphite would take a long time and would require a lot of energy. This reaction exemplifies kinetic control because it shows how the kinetic properties of the reaction ultimately determine if and how this reaction will occur rather than the thermodynamic properties

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Xavier Herrera 3H » Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:12 pm

In the diamond/graphite example that Lavelle gave us, he used the standard deltaG of the reaction from diamond --> Graphite to determine its thermodynamic stability. DeltaG for this reaction is negative, so the forward reaction is favored and Diamond is thermodynamically unstable. However, this reaction is unimaginably slow because there is a massive energy barrier that must be overcome. So even though it's thermodynamically favored, the kinetics wins out and the reaction is controlled by the kinetic stability.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Ephrem Gerald 2A » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:13 pm

A kinetically controlled reaction means that the reaction could potentially be favorable, but the reaction takes so long to proceed that it does not appear spontaneous. Although it may have a negative Gibbs Free Energy and is considered spontaneous, if it takes for example a month or years to go completion (i.e. diamond going to graphite), we would say that the reaction is kinetically controlled.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby LeanneBagood_2F » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:42 pm

i've seen this mentioned a few times in this thread but what are we referring to when we mentioned potential outcome? and can someone explain a bit more in depth as to how that is controlled by rate of formation?

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby Sharon Kim 2A » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:47 pm

The concept of "kinetic control" is saying that the reaction is determined of how fast or slow the reaction is taking place. The difference with thermodynamics is that it analyzes if the reaction is forward/reverse (favorable/not favorable). Kinetically stable reactions occurs when the reaction is very slow and is in higher energy.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby reyvalui_3g » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:55 pm

Reactions can be kinetically controlled by the rate of formation of the product, which is a kinetic factor.

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Re: Kinetic control

Postby arisawaters2D » Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:10 pm

I remember Dr. Lavelle say that a kinetically controlled reaction means that the reaction should all go to products, but it doesn't because of a large energy barrier. What does this mean?


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