"Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

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"Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Sid Panda 3A » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:09 pm

What is the difference between the two?

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby JonathanM » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:53 pm

Hey! So from what I's seen a kinetic stability is when a reaction doesn't proceed because it can't overcome the activation energy, but thermodynamic stability is when a reaction doesn't proceed because it's non-spontaneous and G is greater than zero. Hope this helps!

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Kaihan_Danesh_2J » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:53 pm

Being kinetically controlled means a reaction does not occur against a large activation energy barrier despite the fact that the standard gibbs free energy of the reaction is negative. A reaction that is thermodynamically stable will not occur because the gibbs free energy is positive.

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Alisa Nagashima 1B » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:04 pm

Dr. Lavelle used the reaction of graphite to diamond as an example. Graphite is more thermodynamically stable than diamond because the formation of graphite is more favorable than that of diamond. (negative delta G) Diamond, however, is more kinetically stable than graphite because even though the reaction (diamond to graphite) is favorable, the activation energy barrier is so large that this reaction actually occurs very very slowly to the point where it just doesn't occur.

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Kaitlyn Hernandez 3I » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:41 pm

A thermodynamically stable reaction has a negative delta G, meaning that its spontaneous. A thermodynamically unstable reaction has a positive delta G, meaning that its nonspontaneous.

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Mari Williams 1K » Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:49 pm

Even though a reaction may have a negative delta G and be technically spontaneous, there is sometimes too large of an activation barrier for the reaction to actually occur. Reactions like this are kinetically stable.

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby derickngo3d » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:06 pm

If delta G is negative, then the reaction is thermodynamically unstable.
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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby derickngo3d » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:07 pm

Kinetically stable substances cannot overcome the activation energy and cannot react.
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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Valerie Tran 2B » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:06 pm

Kinetic stability basically occurs when the reactants react really slowly. The slower the reaction occurs, the greater the kinetic stability.

Thermodynamic stability depends on whether or not the reaction is spontaneous. This depends on the change in free energy (ΔG).

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Charlotte Adams 1A » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:10 pm

If you have a reaction that has a negative gibbs free energy, but the reactant does not turn into the product, then the reactant is kinetically stable

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Re: "Thermodynamically Stable" vs "Kinetically Stable"

Postby Jerry_T » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:34 am

The reactant(s) is said to be kinetically stable when the the delta G is negative but no product is formed. In this case, kinetics is controlling the reaction rather than thermodynamics because the reactions occurs very very very... very slowly.


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