15.19a Order


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Kathleen Vidanes 1E
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15.19a Order

Postby Kathleen Vidanes 1E » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:42 am

Hi, I'm confused as to how we can find the order for B using experiments 2 and 3, especially since the initial concentration of A changes from 2.5 to 1.25. Could someone please explain how the order is found? Or if there is another method of determining the order for B? Thank you!

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Re: 15.19a Order

Postby Beza Ayalew 1I » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:54 am

Just like in 17, you use the 2 rows where Bs concentration is changing, but As and Cs concentrations are not, which in this case would be experiments 1 and 3. Then you can divide the 2 different B concentrations to get a number to the power of n, and then divide the initial rates to solve for what the b concentrations to the power of n is equal to. In this case, I got2.416^n=5.839, so because n in that equation is equal to 2, you know the concentration of B is raised to the second power in the rate law

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Re: 15.19a Order

Postby Beza Ayalew 1I » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:56 am

I just realized this isn't what the solutions manual did, but it's what made the most sense to me personally

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Re: 15.19a Order

Postby Gwyneth Huynh 1J » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:57 am

I found the order for reactant B using experiments 1 and 3 instead because only the concentration of B is changed between those two reactions. I don't think you can compare experiments 2 and 3 because both the concentrations of A and B are changed. As illustrated by comparing experiments 1 and 2, changing the concentration of reactant A does affect the rate. Therefore, we can't compare experiments 2 and 3 because both A and B would be affecting the rate of the reaction.

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Re: 15.19a Order

Postby Tiffany 1B » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:02 am

Yes, exactly what Beza was saying. You compare the two rate laws and their initial rates. Although the solutions manual does say 2&3 for the order of B you would actually use 1 and 3. So to solve for B it would look something like rate3/rate 1= [A]^l[B]^m[C]^n/[A]^l[B]^m[C]^n where everything would cancel except for the two [B]^m which you could then use to solve for the order of B. Hope that helps

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Re: 15.19a Order

Postby Ashley Davis 1I » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:38 am

Just to understand what the soln manual is trying to say, how would we determine that increasing the concentration of B by the ratio 3.02/1.25 increases the rate by (3.02/1.25)^2? I'm not sure how we would figure this given how we've gone about solving these kind of problems so far. I personally prefer Beza's method.

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Re: 15.19a Order

Postby Kathleen Vidanes 1E » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:41 pm

Thank you so much for all of the help! I do prefer Beza’s method as well and believe that it much easier to understand, however I would also like to know how the solutions manual went about solving the problem. If anyone could explain, that would be great!


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