First Order Graph


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First Order Graph

Postby nathansalce 3e » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:24 pm

I just wanted to clarify the graphs associated with first order reactions. Since there is an ln in the graph, is there a curve to the graphs? Or is it still linear. Or are there two graphs one with exponential one without?

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Isita Tripathi 2E » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:37 am

If you were to graph just concentration vs time, it would curve downwards, like an exponential decay function. However, if you graph ln of the concentration vs time, then it would be a straight line with a negative slope. This is because taking the log of an exponential is essentially cancelling out the exponential, making it just a value (which is the rate constant in our scenarios). If you can graph the ln of the concentration against time as a straight line, it is a first order reaction.

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Dylan Mai 1D » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:07 pm

Will we ever need to graph on a test?

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Michelle Steinberg2J » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:32 pm

Dylan Mai 1D wrote:Will we ever need to graph on a test?


I went to Professor Lavelle's office hours and he quickly mentioned while explaining graphs that we won't be explicitly asked to graph. But, I think we should definitely have an understanding of what each of the graphs mean and be able to explain why they are curved/straight.

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby William Satyadi 2A » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:44 pm

For a first order graph, the ln [A] vs. time graph will be linear and decreasing, since the concentration of the reactant is decreasing. If the graph was changed to represent [A] versus time, then the graph would be a decreasing exponential function.

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Mika Sonnleitner 1A » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:53 pm

The purpose of taking the ln of the concentration in the graph for a first order reactant is to have a straight-line graph instead of an exponential curve, as a linear graph is more useful for calculations. Similarly, the graph for second order reactants plots 1/[A] vs. time, and the graph of a zero order reaction plots [A] over time.

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Amy Zheng 2l » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:05 am

The graph would be straight if plotted against InA but it would be curved plotted against A

Josh Moy 1H
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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Josh Moy 1H » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:08 am

A proper first order graph is just a straight decreasing line?

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Kellina Tran 2I » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:06 pm

I believe it is linear and I actually thought it increased, but judging from previous comments, I’m probably mistaken

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Emily Mei 1B » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:10 pm

Josh Moy 1H wrote:A proper first order graph is just a straight decreasing line?


Yes, if you're graphing ln[A] vs time. All the "proper" graphs are going to look like straight lines, but the order depends on what's on the y-axis.

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Irma Ramos 2I » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:05 am

Is it safe to say that the slope for a first order graph is always negative?

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Re: First Order Graph

Postby Phillip Winters 2F » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:17 pm

The graph of just concentration vs time will have a curve, but if you graph the natural log of concentration vs time you will have a linear graph


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