determining order


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lauraxie2e
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determining order

Postby lauraxie2e » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 pm

In word problems would they usually tell us the order so we would know what equation to use? If not, how would we determine what equation to use?

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Re: determining order

Postby McKenna_4A » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:45 pm

Plot the initial concentrations as 1/c, ln(c), and just c. Whichever one gives a linear plot is the correct order.

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Re: determining order

Postby Sanjana Munagala_1j » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm

You could be able to determine the order of a reaction or the order in respect to a certain reactant by experimental data. In this case you would see how the concentration changes in relation to the change in rate. Another way to find the order of the reaction is through the units of K, the rate constant, in which the units remain the same for the same order.

Hope that helps!

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Re: determining order

Postby vibha gurunathan 1h » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:04 pm

You determine the order from experimental data - the method usually depends on the information given in the problem.

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Re: determining order

Postby 205405339 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:24 pm

When given experimental data, input the given values into time vs ln[a] (first order), time vs 1/[a] (second order), and time vs [a] (zero order) and look for the graph with the linear graph. this determines the order of that particular reactant.

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Re: determining order

Postby 005162520 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:15 am

Can we also determine order based on it stoichiometric coefficient ?

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Re: determining order

Postby Lindsey Chheng 1E » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:19 am

005162520 wrote:Can we also determine order based on it stoichiometric coefficient ?

yes i think you can!

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Re: determining order

Postby alex_4l » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:12 am

Sanjana Munagala_1j wrote:You could be able to determine the order of a reaction or the order in respect to a certain reactant by experimental data. In this case you would see how the concentration changes in relation to the change in rate. Another way to find the order of the reaction is through the units of K, the rate constant, in which the units remain the same for the same order.

Hope that helps!


This helped me so much thank you!

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Re: determining order

Postby Madelyn Romberg 1H » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:42 am

You can use experimental data by plotting the data using the formulas observed in class and try to achieve a linear plot. If they give you a list of intermediate steps, the slow step will be the rate law which will give indication to the order.

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Re: determining order

Postby Altamash Mahsud 1I » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:31 am

If the order is not told to you in the problem, then there are a few ways of figuring it out. One way could be through experimental data, in which you would see how the rates would change in respect to a reactant concentration changing, then compare the different experiments to find the order with respect to each reactant, then add all those orders up to get the overall order of reaction. You could also find the overall order of the reaction by looking at the units of k, the rate constant.


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