Finding out order


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Finding out order

Postby ShravanPatel2B » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:47 am

Can the units of the rate constant in a rate law be used to identify the order of the reaction? Also would the units of the rate constant be different in in a rate law of species with different order?

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Riya Sood 4G » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:17 am

Yes the units of the rate constant can be used to find the order of the reaction.
Depending on the order, the units of the rate constant will be different. For example, for a first order reaction, the units of k will be s^-1.

The best way to ensure that you have the correct units is to plug in k and multiply the concentrations and it should also give the rate in terms of concentration/time

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Sebastian Lee 1L » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:20 am

Just to expand on the previous comment, you can generalize the rate constant's units as where n is the order of the reaction. So for a zero order reaction, the units would be M/s. For first order, it's just s^-1. For second order, it's , etc.

The rate constant's units will apply to the overall rate law of the step you are looking at. If you have a first order reactant and a second order reactant colliding, you can expect the units for a third order rate constant (assuming this is an elementary step).

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Jessa Maheras 4F » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:07 pm

Yes, the units of the rate constant are representative of the order of the reaction because the units of the rate constant must cancel out with tge units of the rate law.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Osvaldo SanchezF -1H » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:10 pm

The units do represent the rate constant but I would like to add that this is different to the total order of the whole reaction as a whole. You would add all of the constants to get the overall order. Do not forget to make that distinction.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby William Chan 1D » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:06 pm

Technically, yes the rate order could be determined if you know the units of k. The units for k do change for different order equations. If you check to see that the units cancel out and are equal on both sides of the equation, you should be okay.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Bryan Chen 1H » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:34 pm

yes, if you look at the rate constant and its units

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Luc Zelissen 1K » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:36 am

For order (m + n), the rate constant has units of mol1−(m+n)·L(m+n)−1·s−1
For order zero, the rate constant has units of mol·L−1·s−1 (or M·s−1)
For order one, the rate constant has units of s−1
For order two, the rate constant has units of L·mol−1·s−1 (or M−1·s−1)
And for order three, the rate constant has units of L2·mol−2·s−1 (or M−2·s−1)

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Wendy 1E » Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:12 am

Yes, the units can be used to determine the order of the reaction. The way I think about it is, you start out with the units M/s for a zero-order reaction and then you keep dividing by M for each reaction after. For instance, the units for a first-order reaction are 1/s and the units for a second-order reaction are 1/M*s. Hence, each time you divide by M to get the units of the next order.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Tanmay Singhal 1H » Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:20 am

yeah i think the units will help you determine order

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Re: Finding out order

Postby smurphy1D » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:50 am

Units are useful because each order reaction has different units

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Madelyn Romberg 1H » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:31 am

Units correlate to the reaction order to ensure the final units work out. Hence, the units for the rate constant will indicate the rate order.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby CalvinTNguyen2D » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:31 pm

For each different order, the rate constant will have its own units. If you can determine the units that the constant has, you can deduce the reaction order.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Joshua Swift » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:44 pm

Each order has different units so you could potentially look at them to determine what order the reaction is.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Karina Grover 1A » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:47 pm

Yes, units are definitely a good way to determine order! The units of the rate constant will always ensure that, when multiplied by the according concentration units, the overall (rate) units are M/s or mol/Ls.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Tanner Bartyczak 1K » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:49 pm

I also had this question. Thanks for the explanation.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Shrinidhy Srinivas 3L » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:21 pm

The units of a reactant or reaction can certainly be used to find the order. You would have to base it on the exponent of moles and liters, as this will help you determine order. I hope this helps!

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Sai Ramadas 1J » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:15 pm

Yes, you can definitely use the units of the rate constant in the rate law to identify the order of the reaction, as others said. To add on, you can also use them the other way. If you know what the order of the reaction is and you are calculating the rate constant, you can make sure that you calculated it correctly by checking to see if the units are what they should be according to the order.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Gustavo_Chavez_1K » Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Yes, the constant k has different units for each order. The zeroth order has the units of M/s, the first order has the units 1/s, and the second order has the units of 1/M*s. With this, if we know the units of the k of the rate law then we can figure out which order each reagent is in.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Edgar Velazquez 2K » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:19 pm

Yes, you can use units to identify the rate orders since they all have different units. The zero order units are M/s. The first order units are 1/s. The second order units are 1/M x s.

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Jacob_Eberson_2D » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:09 pm

yes, you can match/cancel out units in the rate constant with units in the rate law

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Saatvika Nair » Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:27 pm

Yes, the units can be used - I believe zero order is m/s, first order is 1/s, and second order is 1/m * s. If you use the formulas to deduce what units the order should have and what is should look like, you should be good to go!

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Re: Finding out order

Postby Konmal Ali 1G » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:30 am

Because the units of the rate constant must cancel out with the units of the rate law, the units of the rate constant are reflective of the order of the reaction.


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