Sapling Week 9/10 #13


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Scot Widjaja Dis 1J
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Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Scot Widjaja Dis 1J » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:25 am

Can someone walk me through the steps of this mechanism problem?

The mechanism proposed for the oxidation of iodide ion, I−, by the hypochlorite ion, ClO−, in aqueous solution is shown.

ClO−(aq)+H2O(l)⇌HClO(aq)+OH−(aq)fast in both directions
I−(aq)+HClO(aq)→HIO(aq)+Cl−(aq) slow
HIO(aq)+OH−(aq)→IO−(aq)+H2O(l) fast
Complete the rate law for the formation of IO− implied by this mechanism.

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Ranen_Chang_2G » Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:39 am

This one really stumped me too.

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Heather Costa 2C » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:11 am

so for this problem first consider which is the slow step as it determines the rate of the reaction and create a rate law then see if there are any intermediates which in this case is HClO as it is a product in the first step and a reactant in the 2nd step so you are going to have to create an alternative expression for HClO using step 1 for the forward and reverse rate law then setequal to each other so you can isolate HClO . This then can be substituted into your original slow step rate law to create the rate law for the overall reaction

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Nan_Guan_1L » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:53 am

Hi! I can help with this one.
so remember that the rate of the overall reaction is governed by the rate of the slowest step. so first you would need to identify the sow step with is step #2.

then, write out the rate law for step #2: rate=k2[HClO][I^-]

however, comparing step 1 and step 2 we know that HClO is an intermediate and thus can not be included in the rate law expression. Thus our mission here is to find a way to substitute HClO. we would be using the combination of the forward and reverse rate law for step 1.

rate (Forward)=k (forward) [ClO-][H2O]
rate (reverse)=k (reverse) [HClO][OH-]

make the above two equal to each other. since at equilibrium, the rates are equal and you get [HCLO]=[k (forward) [ClO-][H2O] / k (reverse) [OH-]] / [I^-]

since the concentration of H2O is constant, your final answer would be rate=k {[I^-][ClO-]} / [OH^-]

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Hannah Kim 3C » Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:57 pm

This is a question for anyone, but how would you know that the rate of H2O is constant?

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Samantha Loc 1B » Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:22 pm

Since we know the reaction rate is dependent on the slowest step, therefore, you can say that the rate = k(slow) [I-][HClO]; however, since HClO is an intermediate (does not show up in overall rxn equation), you need to replace it. By writing out the forward and reverse reaction rates for rxn 1 (since HClO is product in the equation), you can equate them to each other then solve for [HClO]. You can then substitute this answer for [HClO] in the rate of the slowest step. (H2O is omitted since it is a solvent and therefore constant)

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby 305561744 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:39 am

Hannah Kim 3C wrote:This is a question for anyone, but how would you know that the rate of H2O is constant?

This is just a guess, but could it be because we start with water as a reactant and end with the same amount of water as a product?

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby 905744270 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:33 pm

Why can't we simply cross our the compounds that appear on both the reactant and product sides of the equations and go from there?

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby 105740916 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:53 pm

rate=k[I−][ClO−]/[OH−]

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby 705573518 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:22 pm

Hannah Kim 3C wrote:This is a question for anyone, but how would you know that the rate of H2O is constant?


Because H2O is the solvent, the concentration of H2O is a constant.

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Kaitlin Joya 1I » Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:59 pm

Hannah Kim 3C wrote:This is a question for anyone, but how would you know that the rate of H2O is constant?


I believe the rate of H2O is constant when it is the solvent. I noticed when we would find equilibrium concentrations, we would exclude H2O if it was a liquid, but include it if it was a gas.

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Carlie_Dorostkar_1A » Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:47 am

Thank you so much to everyone! These response are really helpful!

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Re: Sapling Week 9/10 #13

Postby Akilah Beatty 2k » Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:46 am

Will H2O always be a constant?


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