catalysis vs intermediate

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catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Shreya Patel- 2D » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:17 pm

Hi guys,
I am watching Wednesday's lecture and am confused. What is the difference between catalysis and intermediate in a reaction?

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby IsaacLaw1E » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:22 pm

Catalysts are there at the beginning and there at the end. Intermediates aren't there at the begin, are formed in-between, and aren't there at the end.
So for the ozone example, NO is with the oxygens, it is used up in-between the steps, and is then reformed. NO exists at the beginning and the end. It's a catalyst.
The single oxygen atom isn't there at the beginning. It is formed when NO2 reacts with O2. After it is formed, it is used to create O3 and no longer exists. It only existed in-between the steps. That makes it an intermediate.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Sophia Spungin 2E » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:50 pm

And intermediate is something that is produced in one step of the reaction, and used in a subsequent step. It does not appear in the overall reaction as it is created and used in the process of the overall reaction.

A Catalyst is something that is necessary for the reaction to occur. It shows up on the reactants side of the reaction, is used, and then is reformed in a subsequent step of the reaction. Because it appears on both sides of the reaction, it also does not appear in the overall reaction.

In sum, I believe that an intermediate first a product and then a reactant whereas a catalyst is first a reactant and then a product.

Hope that helps!

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Darlene Lien 3E » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:53 pm

For a visual example:

A + B --> C + D
D + E --> B + F

B would be the catalyst
D would be the intermediate
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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Becca Nelson 3F » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:06 pm

An intermediate is a species formed and then later consumed by the reaction.

A catalyst is not used by the reaction but is presented first on the reactants, then on the products side.

They will both cancel out of the overall equation.

The best way to determine is to see which side of the equation the catalyst/intermediate shows up on first. If it is first on the reactant side it is a catalyst. If it is first on the product side, it is an intermediate.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby abby hyman » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:46 pm

A catalyst is a species that is consumed and then produced
An intermediate is a species that is produced and then consumed
You would include the catalyst in the rate law but you would not include an intermediate

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Nishka Vipul 1J » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:23 am

A catalyst is a substance that is first used up and then re-formed, whereas an intermediate is first formed then used up!

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Alexis Sanft 1E » Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:15 am

Catalyst will appear in reactants first and then later in products, so they are first consumed and then produced, so R-->P.
Intermediates will first appear in products, then reactants, so first produced then consumed, P-->R.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby keely_bales_1f » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:00 pm

Everyone above described a catalyst vs intermediate very well. I just thought I would give an example, so you can see their definitions in action...

A+B-->AB
AB+C-->AC+B

Based on these equations, we can see that AB is an intermediate, for it is first produced, then consumed. Species B is a catalyst for it is consumed first and then produced!

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Malakai Espinosa 3E » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:02 pm

Also a difference to note, catalysts can be included in your rate law if they are in the slow step, but intermediates cannot!

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby AlyssaMaynard1C » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:07 pm

Darlene Lien 3E wrote:For a visual example:

A + B --> C + D
D + E --> B + F

B would be the catalyst
C would be the intermediate

is B the catalyst in both?

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Jeffrey Hablewitz 2I » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 pm

AlyssaMaynard1C wrote:
Darlene Lien 3E wrote:For a visual example:

A + B --> C + D
D + E --> B + F

B would be the catalyst
C would be the intermediate

is B the catalyst in both?



I think that this is showing the two elementary steps of the overall reaction A + E (+B) --> C + F (+B). In this case, B is a catalyst in the overall reaction because it appears in the overall reactants and the overall products. Hope this helps!

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby LarisaAssadourian2K » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:14 pm

Hello! A catalyst is there from the very first set of reactants to the last set of products. An intermediate is something that is formed throughout the reaction, and it ends up getting consumed as well. It is not there at the beginning or the end.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Sondia Luong 1C » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:55 pm

It's easier to remember if you think of catalysts and intermediates as opposites. An intermediate is produced in the reaction and is later consumed, while a catalyst is first consumed in a reaction and later produced.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Pratika Nagpal » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:51 am

Jeffrey Hablewitz 2I wrote:
AlyssaMaynard1C wrote:
Darlene Lien 3E wrote:For a visual example:

A + B --> C + D
D + E --> B + F

B would be the catalyst
C would be the intermediate

is B the catalyst in both?



I think that this is showing the two elementary steps of the overall reaction A + E (+B) --> C + F (+B). In this case, B is a catalyst in the overall reaction because it appears in the overall reactants and the overall products. Hope this helps!


why is D not the intermediate

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Pratika Nagpal » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:53 am

Malakai Espinosa 3E wrote:Also a difference to note, catalysts can be included in your rate law if they are in the slow step, but intermediates cannot!


why is the rate law governed by the slow step

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Evelyn Silva 3J » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:54 am

A catalyst always appears in the beginning and end of the reaction. An intermediate is formed and consumed during the reaction.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Karina Grover 1A » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:55 am

Functionally, catalysts lower the activation energy barrier of a reaction and thus, increase the rate constant and the reaction rate.

Catalysts are consumed and then produced in reactions so, overall, they are not consumed in reactions (they appear at the beginning and at the end).
Intermediates, on the other hand, are produced and then consumed in reactions.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Ziyan Peng 3A » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:48 pm

catalysts are used and produced again so that you see it both at the beginning and at the end of reactions where as intermediates are produced and consumed.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby FrancescaHawkins2H » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:51 pm

An intermediate is something other than the reactants or products listed in the overall reaction, that is needed in order to get the desired products from the reactants. I think the hey point here is that an intermediate will not be present in the overall equation. Conversely, a catalyst will be listed on the reactants side of the chemical formula, although it is not a reactant. It is best identifiable because it doesn't go to forming products (instead it decreases the activation energy needed for the reactants to form the products).

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Eve Gross-Sable 1B » Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:53 pm

An intermediate is produced and then consumed, while a catalyst is consumed and then produced.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby 605823283 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:12 pm

A catalyst is consumed and then produced
An intermediate is produced and then consumed

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Vashe Sundar 3H » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:36 pm

A catalyst is substance that lowers the activation energy of a reaction, but it exists as a reactant at the beginning of the reaction and is produced later (i.e. it's regenerative). An intermediate is produced in the reaction and then is used as a reactant. The key difference is that an intermediate is produced, whereas a catalyst must be introduced.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby 005754305 » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:00 pm

Catalysts are added as a reactant and shows up as a product and they are not consumed but help speed up the rate of the reaction.
Intermediates are formed as a product and are used up int he reaction so don't show up in the reaction at the end as they are consumed.
Hope this helps!

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Arambula 1H » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:14 pm

A catalyst first appears as a reactant and is consumed and then produced again by the end of the reaction. An intermediate first appears as a product but is consumed by the end of the reaction. So while they both appear on both sides it of the reaction it just depends where they appear first.

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Re: catalysis vs intermediate

Postby Carleigh Greenway 1D » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:27 pm

Pratika Nagpal wrote:
Malakai Espinosa 3E wrote:Also a difference to note, catalysts can be included in your rate law if they are in the slow step, but intermediates cannot!


why is the rate law governed by the slow step



The rate law is governed by the slow step because in any process, the step that is the slowest is going to determine the limit of how much the process can produce. For example, if you are making a bunch of pizzas with people at each station of making the pizzas such as dough kneading, putting the sauce on, and then the toppings, but one station is really slow, say the topping station, then you can only make as many pizzas in a certain amount of time that the topping station can do. The same thinking is used for the rate law in reactions. If there is a multiple step reaction, than the slow step will determine the overall rate, or rate law, of the reaction. Hope this makes sense!


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