How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?  [ENDORSED]

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How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Chem_Mod » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:00 pm

Light hits a sodium metal surface and the velocity of the ejected electron is 6.61 x 105 m.s-1. The work function for sodium is 150.6 kJ.mol-1.

Answer the following three questions.
A. What is the kinetic energy of the ejected electron?
B. How much energy is required to remove an electron from one sodium atom?
C. What is the frequency of the incident light on the sodium metal surface? If you can, could you give me a step by step explanation on how to solve this?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequenc  [ENDORSED]

Postby Chem_Mod » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:03 pm

The steps to solve the problem are:
1. Use Ek = 1/2 mv^2 2.

2. Divide the total energy (work function) by Avogadro's number.

3. Use: kinetic energy of e- = energy of incoming photon – work function ****In addition to covering this in class, the course reader has detailed examples as does the textbook.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby derek1d » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:20 am

Won't the mass of the electron need to be given in order to solve A) of this problem?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby diegomartinez1F » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:46 am

Mass of electron is given:

Me= 9.10938 x 10^-31 kg

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequenc

Postby Jacinda Wollenweber 1D » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:28 am

Chem_Mod wrote:The steps to solve the problem are:
1. Use Ek = 1/2 mv^2 2.

2. Divide the total energy (work function) by Avogadro's number.

3. Use: kinetic energy of e- = energy of incoming photon – work function ****In addition to covering this in class, the course reader has detailed examples as does the textbook.


Why do we have to divide the work function by Avogrado's number? I thought the energy was given simply by adding the kinetic energy and threshold energy together.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Sarah_Wilen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:32 am

This is because the work function's energy is given in kJ/mol. You need to solve for the energy of a single unit. That was very poorly explained, sorry. Refer to this other answer:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=21193

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Kevin Morden 1E » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:57 pm

diegomartinez1F wrote:Mass of electron is given:

Me= 9.10938 x 10^-31 kg


Is the mass of an electron always going to be the same?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Chem_Mod » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:31 pm

Yes, the mass of an electron is always going to be the same.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Sohini Halder 1G » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:42 pm

As Dr. Lavelle said in lecture, it always helps to write out the equation in words first.
For example:
Energy of incoming photon = Workfunction of metal (or energy needed to remove electron) + Kinetic energy of the electron emitted
After this, you can rearrange whatever way you need to for the problem.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequenc

Postby Kevin Hernandez 3A » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:48 pm

Chem_Mod wrote:The steps to solve the problem are:
1. Use Ek = 1/2 mv^2 2.

2. Divide the total energy (work function) by Avogadro's number.

3. Use: kinetic energy of e- = energy of incoming photon – work function ****In addition to covering this in class, the course reader has detailed examples as does the textbook.


For Part c, would you subtract the work function of the sodium metal or subtract the work function of the one sodium atom?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby gabbym » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:37 am

This was so helpful, thank you!

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Ashley P 4I » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:24 pm

At last I finally understood what this problem was asking, thank you so much!

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Liza Hayrapetyan-3K » Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:37 am

Thank you so much! This was extremely helpful.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Andrew Bennecke » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:43 pm

Thank you, I was genuinely confused about this topic as well!

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Yiting_Gong_4L » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:14 pm

Thank you for this explanation! This was very helpful.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby AustinMcBrideDis3L » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:47 am

diegomartinez1F wrote:Mass of electron is given:

Me= 9.10938 x 10^-31 kg


Do we need to convert this to grams or can we keep it as kg?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Moura Girgis 1F » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:41 pm

AustinMcBrideDisc3C wrote:
diegomartinez1F wrote:Mass of electron is given:

Me= 9.10938 x 10^-31 kg


Do we need to convert this to grams or can we keep it as kg?


We need to keep it in kg, as all of the other units include kg, such as Joules (kg.m^2/s^2)

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby clairehathaway 2J » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:11 pm

derek1d wrote:Won't the mass of the electron need to be given in order to solve A) of this problem?


This might be kinda obvious, but kinetic energy only applies to electrons right? So whenever we use the equation
the m will always represent the mass of an electron?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Chudi Onyedika 3A » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:35 pm

clairehathaway 3L wrote:
derek1d wrote:Won't the mass of the electron need to be given in order to solve A) of this problem?


This might be kinda obvious, but kinetic energy only applies to electrons right? So whenever we use the equation
the m will always represent the mass of an electron?


The kinetic energy equation can be applied to any object, but in this case, the mass should represent the mass of an electron.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequenc

Postby Giselle_zamora_1L » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:55 pm

So for part A, are there any additional steps to take after doing the 1/2 mv? Because I did that and I got a fairly large number that wasn't any of the options but I don't know where I went wrong.
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Chem_Mod wrote:The steps to solve the problem are:
1. Use Ek = 1/2 mv^2 2.

2. Divide the total energy (work function) by Avogadro's number.

3. Use: kinetic energy of e- = energy of incoming photon – work function ****In addition to covering this in class, the course reader has detailed examples as does the textbook.


For Part c, would you subtract the work function of the sodium metal or subtract the work function of the one sodium atom?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequenc

Postby Giselle_zamora_1L » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:59 pm

for part B, is there any particular reason why we should divide by Avogadro's number? I thought that the work function was the minimum amount needed to free the electron so that it would be a given?
Kevin Hernandez 3A wrote:
Chem_Mod wrote:The steps to solve the problem are:
1. Use Ek = 1/2 mv^2 2.

2. Divide the total energy (work function) by Avogadro's number.

3. Use: kinetic energy of e- = energy of incoming photon – work function ****In addition to covering this in class, the course reader has detailed examples as does the textbook.


For Part c, would you subtract the work function of the sodium metal or subtract the work function of the one sodium atom?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby sadiebrebes » Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:37 am

diegomartinez1F wrote:Mass of electron is given:

Me= 9.10938 x 10^-31 kg


Where is this given? Do we just look up the mass of sodium metal? Or is it supposed to be in the questions?

Thank you

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Giselle Simmons 2D » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:25 pm

For A, how do the units work out to be Joules for the answer?

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Giselle Simmons 2D » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:36 pm

For B, I was a bit confused but here is how to do it.
First, convert 150.6 KJ/mol (given) to Joules by multiplying it by 1000L/1 KJ. This should give you 1.506 x 10^5 J.
Then, divide 1.506 x 10^5 J by Avogrado's number, which is 6.02 x 10^23 mol.
The answer is 2.501 x 10^-19 Joules.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequency?

Postby Minoo Bastani 2J » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:41 pm

sadiebrebes wrote:
diegomartinez1F wrote:Mass of electron is given:

Me= 9.10938 x 10^-31 kg


Where is this given? Do we just look up the mass of sodium metal? Or is it supposed to be in the questions?

Thank you


The mass of an electron is a constant value, because it is unchanging even in different atoms. I believe it is featured on the constant sheet that Dr.Lavelle provides for the midterms and final, so take it as a value that is never going to change. It was not given directly in the problem because it is assumed that you have access to the constants that you need.

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Re: How to calculate the kinetic energy, energy and frequenc

Postby PranavKetharam » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:50 pm

Giselle_zamora_1L wrote:for part B, is there any particular reason why we should divide by Avogadro's number? I thought that the work function was the minimum amount needed to free the electron so that it would be a given?
Kevin Hernandez 3A wrote:
Chem_Mod wrote:The steps to solve the problem are:
1. Use Ek = 1/2 mv^2 2.

2. Divide the total energy (work function) by Avogadro's number.

3. Use: kinetic energy of e- = energy of incoming photon – work function ****In addition to covering this in class, the course reader has detailed examples as does the textbook.


For Part c, would you subtract the work function of the sodium metal or subtract the work function of the one sodium atom?


Since the question is specifically asking for the energy from one sodium atom, we have to use Avogadro's number. This is because the work function is represented as 150.6 KJ.mol^-1. Avogadro's number represents the number of atoms in a mole of a substance; therefore, dividing the work function by Avogadro's number is a requirement to accurately identify the energy from one sodium atom.


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