Intensity vs. Frequency

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Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Javier Perez M 1H » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:44 pm

What is intensity and what is frequency?
As far as I know frequency is just the amount of cycles per an amount of time or waves. However, what exactly is intensity?

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Evie Li_1H » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:46 pm

Increasing the intensity of light would just mean sending a greater number of photons. That's why increasing the intensity of light won't eject electrons if that frequency of light is unable to do so. EACH electron needs to be able to have a high enough frequency to eject an electron. Increasing the intensity is only sending more of those photons that are unable to eject electrons, so it wouldn't change anything.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Isaac Wen » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:38 pm

For a wave, the intensity is the amplitude (how tall the crest is). Frequency, as you described is the number of cycles per second. For a photon/particle, the intensity is the number of photons passing an area in a certain amount of time. Normally, increasing the intensity (amplitude) of a wave would increase energy, but scientists found that this was not the case in the photoelectric experiment. That's why they concluded that light could also be a particle, where an increase in intensity would only be an increase in the number of photons present.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Ariel Guan 1H » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:56 pm

Intensity corresponds with the amount of photons in a particle, meaning high intensity= more photons and lower intensity = less photons. Intensity also is the amplitude of the wave in a wave model. In terms of the photoelectric effect, intensity wouldn't change the energy of the photons, which was the unexpected discovery.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Sam_Marasigan_3D » Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:41 pm

The intensity of light is basically the number of photons falling on a certain area.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby FionaHunter21 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:01 am

So just to clarify: an increase in frequency increases the energy of the wave and the number of photons, but not the energy per photon? And this is what the photoelectric effect is? That the waves have particle like properties where only one photon interacts with an electron, and therefore changing the number would not help to displace an electron?

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Kelly Ha 1K » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:25 am

FionaHunter21 wrote:So just to clarify: an increase in frequency increases the energy of the wave and the number of photons, but not the energy per photon? And this is what the photoelectric effect is? That the waves have particle like properties where only one photon interacts with an electron, and therefore changing the number would not help to displace an electron?


I believe it is just the opposite. An increase in intensity would increase the number of photons, and an increase in frequency would increase the energy per photon and thus correspond to an increased kinetic energy of the photoelectrons being emitted. It is correct that one photon interacts with one electron, but this concept of the photoelectric effect actually shows that light acts as a particle, not only as a wave.
In the photoelectric effect experiment, it showed that you needed to increase the frequency of the light source in order to increase the energy per photon and then be able eject the electrons, not just increase the intensity. If light were to act only as a wave, then increasing intensity should eject electrons but it was discovered that that didn't occur. Light is therefore quantized as photons (packets of energy) where one photon interacts with one electron.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Charmaine Ng 2D » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:03 pm

You're right about the frequency! It's the cycles that pass through within a given time, and is also indicative of the energy, since E=hv. Energy and frequency are proportional, so the higher the frequency, the more energy. Meanwhile, intensity refers to the amount of photons in a light beam, not how much energy is in each photon.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby derickngo3d » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:56 pm

Intensity of light is the number of photons. Frequency relates to a single photon, and whether it can eject electrons off of metal.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Chris_Butler_1A » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:01 pm

Charmaine Ng 1E wrote:You're right about the frequency! It's the cycles that pass through within a given time, and is also indicative of the energy, since E=hv. Energy and frequency are proportional, so the higher the frequency, the more energy. Meanwhile, intensity refers to the amount of photons in a light beam, not how much energy is in each photon.

And just to make sure, the frequency of a wave is defined as the number of hills, troughs, or any other starting point of a wave passes in a second, right? Thus why we can say that the frequency is in Hertz?

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Vanshika Bhushan 1A » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:40 pm

Frequency is related to photon's energy where E = hν , E is energy, h is Planck's constant and ν is frequency. In particle nature, intensity is related to number of photons in the radiation. Intensity is power per unit area and power is energy per time.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Ivy Tan 1E » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:41 pm

Hi!
I think intensity corresponds to the amplitude of the wave and frequency is the number of wave cycles per second. This is why in the atomic spectra experiment, increasing the intensity of the light would only increase the amplitude of the wave, not its energy. Increasing the frequency of a wave would increase its energy, thus increasing the energy per photon. Hope this was helpful!!

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Mackenzie Stockton 2H » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:08 am

For a particle-model, increasing intensity means increasing the amplitude, which increases the energy. This refers to increasing the intensity (brightness) of the light

For a wave-like model, increasing intensity does not increase the energy because the EMR is acting like a particle and not a wave. Increasing intensity in this case still refers to increasing the brightness of light, but since light is acting like a wave, it does not increase energy. To increase the energy when light is acting like a wave, you must increase the frequency, as E=hv

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Emilie_Paltrinieri_1K » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:34 am

So what was the new equation that they found after doing the experiment of the photoelectric effect?

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Scot Widjaja Dis 1J » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:44 am

Frequency is a measure of the number of times a wave goes through its cycle per unit of time (seconds). Intensity is a measure of how large or how high the waves are. In other words, it is the amplitude of the waves and the larger the intensity, the higher the number of photons.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Sabrina Galvan 3J » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:27 pm

Emilie_Paltrinieri_1K wrote:So what was the new equation that they found after doing the experiment of the photoelectric effect?

They found that the energy of a photon is proportional to planks constant and frequency
Ephoton=(h)(v)

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Chudi Onyedika 3A » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:30 pm

When increasing the intensity of light, the number of photons are increased.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Keshav Patel 14B 2B » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:47 pm

Frequency is the amount of waves that are being sent in a period of time. Intensity is the light that can increase but the photons rendered in light can increase which is how intensity increases.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Brian Nguyen 2I » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:56 pm

Intensity relates to amount of photons, whereas frequency relates to the quality of a photon. Frequency is the number of cycles per second.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Kyle Dizon 3A » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:14 pm

The intensity is related to the number of photons of the light.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Simran Bains 2C » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:19 pm

The intensity has to do with the amount of photons that are in the beam of lights, whereas the frequency of the light is the amount of times that the wave repeats every second.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Kainalu Puu-Robinson » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:12 pm

When determining wave energy, do we just look at the frequency of a wave or at the amplitude as well. This was one of the Sapling questions and by the options given it was clear to tell but I'm not actually sure what the correct way to go about it is.

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Re: Intensity vs. Frequency

Postby Lillian » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:30 pm

For something like a photon, the intensity would refer to the the number of photons sent at a target or in a certain direction. The frequency would refer to how many crests or troughs pass through a certain point in a wave. The amplitude, just in case, refers to the height of the crest or trough.


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