Why is there a negative?

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Ethan Breaux 2F
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Why is there a negative?

Postby Ethan Breaux 2F » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:49 pm

Why is there a negative in the equation (En = -hR/n^2) when we just put the positive value whenever a questions asks us to find the frequency or wavelength? Is there any scenario in which we would put the negative value as the answer?

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Re: Why is there a negative?

Postby gillianozawa4I » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:55 pm

I think there is a negative sign in the equation to show that energy is emitted (because the electron goes from a higher to a lower energy state). If energy was absorbed, the answer would end up being positive. Hope this helps!

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Re: Why is there a negative?

Postby Chem_Mod » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:08 pm

The reason why there's a negative in the equation you listed is because energy levels closer to the nucleus are relative to the theoretically highest-most energy level that is an infinite distance away from the nucleus. The energy level of the n= level is zero, since there's no attraction between the nucleus and any electrons in that level. Because energy levels closer to the nucleus are lower in energy than energy levels farther away from the nucleus, anything below the n= level must be negative (since less than zero). This is why the equation is negative. The reason you only use the positive magnitude when calculating the frequency or wavelength of light from the energy is because the energy that an electron loses from a higher energy to a lower energy is released in the form of light. Due to law of conservation of energy, the energy that the electron loses is released in the form of light. Energy of light can't ever be negative, but the change in energy of an electron can be negative (lost energy from perspective of electron).

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Re: Why is there a negative?

Postby mayra martinez 1D » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:20 pm

Yea so to reiterate, as the n increases, the energies of successive levels increase (thus become less negative) until you approach zero, where the electron is on the point of escaping the atom. All the energies are negative because the electron has a lower energy in the atom, than when its far from the nucleus.

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Re: Why is there a negative?

Postby g orloff 1J » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:30 pm

to think about it in simpler terms, energy is taken out/ removed from the system therefore there is a negative.


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