Wavelength Plausibility

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Wavelength Plausibility

Postby ahuang » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:55 pm

In the lecture slides, it said that an electron's wavelength is around 10^-12m. In the modules it asks if certain wavelengths are able to be detected. I just wanted to confirm that if the wavelength smaller than 10^-12, it is detectable. But how much smaller is detectable? Is ~10^-15m acceptable?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Chem_Mod » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:47 am

The context here is when does a particle cease to have detectable wave-like properties. In other words only particle-like behavior will be observed.
Typically a particle with a de Broglie wavelength less than 10-15m does not have detectable wave-like properties. Obviously the higher the mass, the smaller the wavelength and therefore more likely to have only particle-like behavior.

In class I will discuss this and show, using calculated values, that a baseball has only particle-like behavior (as its de Broglie wavelength is far too small to have any detectable wave-like properties).

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Natalie Benitez 1C » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:30 pm

I remember in the lecture the slides said that visible light can be seen from 700nm (Red) to 400nm (Violet) but in the picture from the slides it went up to 720 nm. So, basically my question is if visible light ranging from 700 nm to 400nm or from 720nm to 400nm.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby APatel_4A » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:14 pm

He said that it is 720 to 400 but that we can just remember 700 to 400 since it's easier!

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby KatherineValdez_4B » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:54 pm

So if we remember 700 rather than 720 are we still correct?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Amy Pham 1B » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:19 pm

The upper limit of the correct range was, as the slides depicted, 720 nm. This is the correct number, 700 is just a simple round number to have a mental ballpark estimate.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby nicole-4d » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:59 am

APatel_4A wrote:He said that it is 720 to 400 but that we can just remember 700 to 400 since it's easier!

Thank you for clarifying .

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby AveryAgosto » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:27 am

Anything smaller than 10^-15 is not detectable.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Robert Cross 1A » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:22 pm

Thank you for the clarification!

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby abby_hagen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:13 pm

Okay, so all we have to remember is that the range of visible light is from around 700 nm to 400 nm, and that anything below 10^-15 is not detectable?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby madeleine_dis1E » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:09 pm

Yes, the 700-400nm example he gave is meant to provide a mental picture of the range however the actual scale is from 720-400. Either way you want to remember it is ok.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Alan Cornejo 1a » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:02 pm

madeleine_dis1E wrote:Yes, the 700-400nm example he gave is meant to provide a mental picture of the range however the actual scale is from 720-400. Either way you want to remember it is ok.


correct, 700 is just used for an easier conceptualization of the actual range

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Ruth Glauber 3L » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:59 pm

I believe using 700 to 400 is acceptable (and easier to remember).

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby 005162520 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:05 pm

Quick clarification, why isn't not detectable?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Nathan Rothschild_3D » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:55 pm

The problems we have been doing have been involving visible light. 10^-15 would fall in the ultraviolet spectrum and would not be detectable to the human eye.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Katherine Brenner 3H » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:52 am

Does that mean that the larger an electrons wavelength is, the more wave-like properties it possesses?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Angela Prince 3B » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:24 pm

APatel_4A wrote:He said that it is 720 to 400 but that we can just remember 700 to 400 since it's easier!


Because it differs so much according to different tables, I think it will be fine if you just remember 700 to 400

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby melinak1 » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:17 am

Angela Prince 3B wrote:
APatel_4A wrote:He said that it is 720 to 400 but that we can just remember 700 to 400 since it's easier!


Because it differs so much according to different tables, I think it will be fine if you just remember 700 to 400



thank you!!

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby brennayoung » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:03 pm

I know he said 720 to 400 but 700 was acceptable but wouldn't that change the calculations?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby AnayaArnold_3L » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:21 pm

Thank you so much!

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby RBergtraun_3A » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:55 pm

I had a similar question, this video helped me a lot. Hope it helps you. https://www.khanacademy.org/science/phy ... c-spectrum

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Natalie Benitez 1C » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:04 pm

APatel_4A wrote:He said that it is 720 to 400 but that we can just remember 700 to 400 since it's easier!


Thank you !!!

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby 905289082 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:44 am

Technically, if the question asks if the wavelength is detectable, or more often it will ask if there are "detectable wavelike properties" that means that it wants to know whether the wavelength is greater than 10e-15 or not.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Ruth Glauber 3L » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:51 pm

I think that a de Broglie wavelength less than 10-15m does not have detectable wave-like properties.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby KatherineValdez_4B » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:57 pm

What is the final unit for the wavelength?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Jaklin Astvatsatryan » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:13 pm

KatherineValdez_4B wrote:What is the final unit for the wavelength?


A unit of wavelength is in meters which you can convert to nm.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby AnayaArnold_3L » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Thanks!!!!
RBergtraun_3A wrote:I had a similar question, this video helped me a lot. Hope it helps you. https://www.khanacademy.org/science/phy ... c-spectrum

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby CandiceNourian1J » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:07 pm

905289082 wrote:Technically, if the question asks if the wavelength is detectable, or more often it will ask if there are "detectable wavelike properties" that means that it wants to know whether the wavelength is greater than 10e-15 or not.


That makes a lot of sense! A good thing to look out for, thanks!

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby bloodorangefield » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:49 pm

Wouldn't the difference from 720 to 700 make a significant enough difference?

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby Hussain Chharawalla 1G » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:28 pm

It would, but I think for the purposes of the class we only need to remember 700-400 nm.

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Re: Wavelength Plausibility

Postby brennayoung » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:27 pm

For the final do we need to have the different wavelength series memorized for the energy required to raise it one energy level like quantum state =1, n=2 etc?


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