Velocity


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Velocity

Postby 405289292 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:26 pm

If we calculate a velocity for an electron, proton or neutron that is higher than the speed of light, should we assume we did something wrong, or is there possibility for this to be an answer and we have to say that this is "unreasonable?"

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Re: Velocity

Postby Khushboo_3D » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:12 pm

In this case, I guess such an answer would be unreasonable or not possible because there is nothing that can have a speed greater than that of light.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Abigail Sanders 1E » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:17 pm

I agree, since nothing can have a velocity higher than the speed of light I would assume that something in the calculation would be incorrect. Maybe retry the problem or message if you still have questions about a specific example.

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Re: Velocity

Postby 805394719 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:20 pm

As far as we know, nothing can be faster than light, so if the speed of an electron, proton, or a neutron is faster than speed of light, there must have been an error in the calculations. The reason for nothing being greater than the speed of light is due to the absolute space-time in physics which states that objects move not in space but absolute space-time which leads us to the conclusion that passing the speed of light is impossible since you are moving in something where your movement through space and time will add up to the speed of light.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Maya Beal Dis 1D » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:39 pm

In problem 1B.21 you must know the conversion between miles per hour and meters per second. Are these conversion factors something we must memorize or will test problems always be given in SI units?

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Re: Velocity

Postby Cynthia Gong 1L » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:24 pm

For tests I believe everything will be in SI units. If not, we will get the conversion factors

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Re: Velocity

Postby PriscillaLi_3G » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:22 am

You should assume that a velocity > 3x10^8 is unreasonable

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Re: Velocity

Postby KBELTRAMI_1E » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:24 am

405289292 wrote:If we calculate a velocity for an electron, proton or neutron that is higher than the speed of light, should we assume we did something wrong, or is there possibility for this to be an answer and we have to say that this is "unreasonable?"


I think we did an example problem like this, I don't know if an "unreasonable" answer will ever come up on an exam, and if that's the answer you get, there's no harm in double checking. I haven't come across any like that in the homework.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Diana_Diep2I » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:15 pm

You should double check when you have an unreasonable velocity. But like we did in the example problem, it could indicate that the atom's size was too small because the entire point of that problem was to show that there was a limit to how small an atom could be. Usually, atoms have a diameter of 10^-10.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Luyan Zhang - 2D » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:57 am

Yes, this answer is unreasonable, and you should definitely recheck your work. Perhaps you've made a calculator error.

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Re: Velocity

Postby PriscillaLi_3G » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:28 pm

It would be considered unreasonable.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Nyari Muchaka_Discussion 4A » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:25 pm

If this is based on the Heisenberg Indeterminacy Equation then if the velocity is larger than the speed of light you must assume you have been given an incorrect atomic model which goes to prove that the mass of an atom has to be a certain size or larger in order to properly abide by the laws of the universe aka nothing can be faster than the speed of light. Since wavelength=h/mv, the mass has to be large enough for the wavelength to not be larger than the speed of light.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Sofia Q » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:25 pm

It would be considered unreasonable.

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Re: Velocity

Postby Kyle Thorin » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:08 am

This is unreasonable because the fastest thing we know is light.


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