De Broglie Derivation


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De Broglie Derivation

Postby Megan Bundy 2K » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:50 pm

Do we need to know the steps of deriving the De Broglie equation?

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby sgarza » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:54 pm

I don't think so, I think Dr. Lavelle only showed us the derivation in class in order for us to understand the connection between the equations that we have been learning. And also that if we forget the de broglie equation, we can derive it ourselves using the other energy equations.

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby Madysen Ratsek 3L » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:29 am

Hi Megan! Good question. I do not think we need to know how to derive the de Broglie equation, but it is important to note that since lambda=h/p, lambda also equals h/mv, since p=mv (mass*velocity). This is especially useful for when we are just given the velocity of a particle (ie. an electron) and can infer the mass, and use it to solve for the wavelength of the particle! I hope this helps.

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby Ivan Huang Dis 3B » Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:16 pm

I think we just need to know when and how to use it not how it came to be

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby Quynhanh Nguyen 1C » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:20 am

Hey there!

I would assume that for all upcoming exams, we will need to know the De Broglie Derivation because it is on our learning objectives outline. Luckily, it's quite simple!

Knowing: c = h(lambda) and E = hv, we can conclude that E = hc/ (lambda)

We also know that E = pc

Therefore, pc = hc/ (lambda)

The speeds of light cancel out. If you rearrange the equation for lambda, you get lambda = h/p which is De Broglie's equation. Hope this helps!

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby Patricia Sourinphoumy Dis1C » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:48 am

Hi! I think that the outlining of how the De Broglie equation was derived was just something supplemental. It was also pretty motivating to see how things connected! I will say that it definitely reminds you of what other variables (like those mentioned in replies above mine) might be involved when solving a De Broglie problem.

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby Litsa Dimit 1D » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:26 am

It is helpful to know where it came from and how to derive it, but it is not necessary to memorize!

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby Gabriel Wolf 3I » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:43 am

I don't believe so. If you do, it's just setting E=hv and E=pc to each other and solving for lamba (c=lambav). What you should note, however, is that this equation, despite its usage of c=lambav, should not be used to solve for light, as light has no resting mass.

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Re: De Broglie Derivation

Postby 505686385 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:10 pm

Hello. No I do not think we need to know the derivation of De Brogiles equation. We know that wavelength = h/p, which is Plank's Constant divided by momentum. We can find momentum by multiplying the mass of the object by its velocity. So wavelength = h/mv. Hope this helps!


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