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Momentum Question

Postby Megan Bundy 2K » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:53 pm

I wanted to clarify something that my UA brought up today: we should not use the wavelength = h / p equation on light, correct? My UA said that since photons have no mass, we cannot use that equation and we should use E=pc.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby sgarza » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:55 pm

Yes, the de broglie equation only applies to objects with mass and momentum, which would exclude photons because they have no mass.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby Holly Do 2J » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:44 am

Hi,

So to explain the reasoning behind why we use E=hv for a photon and not the De Broglie's equation is because E=hv is used for things that do no have a particular mass. For example we would typically use it for light/photon, and these do not have measurable mass.

On the other hand you can use De Broglie's equation for elements like sodium because sodium does have an atomic mass. You can also use De Broglie for something like a baseball because that too has a mass.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby 805757847 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:01 pm

Hi,

Yes, because that equation can only be used on particles that have a momentum, and because p = m*v, that particle has to have a mass. However, photons do not have a mass. This is interesting because this equation is derived from photon, but cannot be used on photon.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby 905740390 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:34 pm

The de Broglie equation gives us the wavelength for an object with mass and momentum since the equstion is wavelength= planks constant/ mass x velocity.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby Mahika Saoji 3K » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:58 pm

Hi! You are right. We wouldn't use De Broglie's equation because it entails mass and momentum and photons do not have mass. You could use it for elements on the periodic table or even a ball because it has mass.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby haryn Shin 1H » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:18 pm

Yes, when we're dealing with photons, we just use the equation wavelength = c/v, and with mass, electrons, and momentum, we use the de broglie formula wavelength = h/p. Hope this helps!

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby Xiang Li 2F » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:14 pm

Hi, I think you are right! The de broglie equation can only be applied to matters that have their own mass and momentum. Photons do not have those.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby Srikar_Chintala_1E » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:35 pm

Yup, that is correct. You only use De Broglie's equation when you are dealing with a particle that has mass, and photons don't exactly have much of a mass.

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Re: Momentum Question

Postby 305749341 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:39 pm

Yes, that is correct. DeBroglie's wavelength equation is to show that anything can technically have wave-like properties. The point was to show that electrons with mass 9.109x10^-31 kg or a baseball with some mass technically have wave-like properties and a corresponding wavelength value.


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