Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

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Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Katherine Chhen 3I » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:09 pm

What is the relationship between Hund's rule and the Pauli Exclusion principle?

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Andrew F 2L » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:46 pm

I think in class he just meant that due to e- repulsion, e- in same sub-shell occupy diff orbitals with parallel spin so they have the same spin i believe.
And for the Pauli exclusion principle rule He said that there can be no more than 2 e- per orbital and if there are 2e- in the same orbital, then they are opposite spin.
Sorry I'm not entirely sure about the relationship between them because I'm still trying to work it out myself!

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby ahuang » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:05 am

Pauli Exclusion Principle simply states that in each orbital there are two electrons with opposite spin. Hund's rule states that each orbital should be filled up once before the second electron is added. It's also known as "the bus seat rule". On a bus, you want to maximize the seating so each person sits alone first. Only once all the seats are filled by one person, would you start doubling up seating.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Aarja Pavade 1H » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:34 pm

We apply both Pauli Exclusion Principle and Hund's Rule to obtain the ground state electron configuration.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Alexandra Bartolome 2H » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:25 am

Both are used to determine ground state electron configuration. With the Pauli Exclusion Principle, electrons in the same orbital must have different spins. With Hund's rule, electrons must occupy different orbitals singularly, with the same spin before doubling up.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Kendra Barreras 3E » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:19 am

Both are used together to find the correct ground state electron configuration. The Pauli Exclusion principle just tells you that in one individual level your electron direction has to be opposite of each other (have different spins). Hund's says you have to fill up every level before attempting to put more than one electron in each level.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby IScarvie 1E » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:00 pm

You use Hund's rule and the Pauli Exclusion Principle together to write the ground-state electron configuration of an atom. Hund's rule tells you to fill in orbitals with one electron each with parallel spin before doubling up, and the Pauli Exclusion Principle tells you to give the paired electrons opposite spin when you run out of separate orbitals

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Rhea Shah 2F » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:55 pm

Hund's rule and the Pauli Exclusion principle combine to form the building up principle. Hund's rule states that electron with parallel sping must be added to each available orbital in the subshell before pairing the electrons together. The Pauli Exclusion principle states that each orbital may only have 2 electrons, and that each electron in an atom has its own unique set of four numbers.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby AronCainBayot2K » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:25 pm

Hund's Rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle share a relationship in which both relate to the building-up principle. Hund's Rule states that electrons in same subshell disperse through different orbitals with the same spins (parallel), where as Pauli Exclusion Principle allows a maximum of two electrons per orbital, in which they are paired with having an opposite spin. These applied, give the lowest energy electron configuration.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Maika Ngoie 1B » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:24 pm

The relationship between the two lies with the fact that we use both Hund's Rule and the Pauli Exclusion Principle in conjunction with the Building-Up principle in order to properly create/write experimentally observed electron configurations.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby AmyL_3L » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:11 pm

Hund's Rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle are both used to determine electron configurations. To be more specific, Hund's Rule requires that electrons need to occupy an orbital once before pairing up in the same orbital. For Pauli Exclusion Principle, no two electrons in the same orbital can have the exact same four quantum numbers. Therefore, they must have opposing spins.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Cavalli_1H » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:22 pm

they are both guidelines that help to figure out electron configurations. you use both to obtain ground state e- configuration

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Tahlia Mullins » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:15 pm

Both Hund's Rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle provide the guidelines of the ground state electron configuration for a given atom. Singularly, Hund's Rule provides that each orbital must include one arrow before doubling up. The Pauli Exclusion Principle states that two electrons in the same orbital should have opposite spin. Therefore, when performing the electron configuration, write upward facing arrows in each orbital, then double up with downward facing arrows as needed.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby Sreyes_1C » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:47 pm

the relationship would be that they are both necessary in understanding how filling up the orbitals works. You can start by using Hund's rule to make sure each orbital has an electron before doubling up. Then, you can use Pauli's principle to arrange it so each orbital has one up and one down.

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Re: Hund's rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle

Postby MeeraBhagat » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:51 pm

They both relate to the properties of each energy subshell. Each subshell can only hold 2 electrons, according to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The two electrons in that subshell must have opposite spins as to maximize stability, according to Hund's Rule.


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