Electron configuration

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Electron configuration

Postby Melinda Luo 2G » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:09 pm

When we write electron configurations, is it important that we list which axis each orbital (for l > 0) is? I noticed that during lecture, Dr. Lavelle usually separates the p orbitals into px, py, and pz for example. Would we need to separate it as well, or would it be fine if we just combined it as 2p6 rather than 2px2 2py2 2pz2?

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby 105691548 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:16 pm

I had the same question but what I noticed is that on achieve it accepts the answer if it was 2p^6 instead of 2px^2 2py^2 2pz^2, so I believe that Dr. Lavelle separates the p orbitals in order for it to be more clear as to why it is 2p^6 and to figure out the m-1. I hope this helps!

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Crystal Ma 2J » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:59 pm

Hi,
In the achieve homework and textbook problems, the p-orbitals are usually not separated so I think that it should be fine if you go with 2p^6!

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby SarahOMalley1D » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:52 pm

Hi! Either notation should be accepted. Just to add a bit of explanation, this is because writing 2p^6 is a shorter form of writing 2px^ 2py^2 2pz^2. The x, y, and z subscripts stand in for the different orientations of angular momentum (orbitals) an electron can inhabit within a subshell. They can also be represented by the magnetic quantum number. For example, an electron in the 2p subshell can inhabit 3 orbitals (ml=-1, ml=0, or ml=1), so they can inhabit the 2px orbital, the 2py orbital, or the 2pz orbital.

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Hannah Carsey 1B » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:11 pm

Hi, since it seems like both formats are accepted by achieve problems and textbook homework problems, I would just be consistent with my format usage and to try to make my answers as clear as possible. So if a problem needed me to be specific about the p orbital I would separate the p orbitals but if the question was general I would keep the p orbital together in my answer. Hope this helps!

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Srikar_Chintala_1E » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:48 pm

in general, you are simply going to combine them together to consider them as 2p^6. Only in the circumstance that Dr. Lavelle asks what the ml is, then we might need to know that. However, he did say that we do not need to know that information right now.

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby kylanjin » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:04 pm

I would just combine it into something like 2p6 since that's usually how the answers are going to be presented. I think Lavelle just separated it out to show visually how each orbital can hold 2 electrons.

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Grant_2A » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:11 pm

Hi! I would keep it as just 6p^6 because that's what the homework was like, but the test is going to be multiple choice, so it should be fairly easy to determine what they want based off the answer choices they provide!

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby SuryaDham 3E » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:17 pm

i think that the 2p^6 way of writing it is fine

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Kaethe Zappacosta 2L » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:32 pm

Hi! I asked this question to my TA, and he told me that Lavelle was just using x,y,z to try to get us to conceptually understand the different orientations of angular momentum. I think just using numbers on the midterm and in homework is fine!

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Kaira Shibata 1E » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:22 pm

Hi! The separation the x,y,z is to help us understand that there are 3 orbitals within the p subshell. However for your answer you do not need to have those separated.

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby Jessica Ghiuzelian 1H » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:31 pm

Hi! The electron configurations of both the x,y,z and the subshells are the same. Labeling with the x, y, z just gives a visual of how many orbitals the element would have. Generally the subshells are used as a more efficient way of describing an element.

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby 205678283 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:59 pm

Hi! Ya I had the same question. But all the homework solutions just combined it to 2p6 so I am assuming on the tests we will combine it. I think we were just looking at it broken down into px, py, pz because that helped us visualize the magnetic quantum number (ml) which labels the different orbitals of the sub shell and gives us the orientation of the angular movement (the x, y, z tells us the orientation).

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Re: Electron configuration

Postby emmakvarnell » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:34 pm

Unless it tells you to specify the orbital, it's common to just write out all of the orbitals combined into one. I'm pretty sure he just writes it like that during lecture to help us understand the difference between each orbital in the subshell.


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