No two electrons can have the same 4 quantum numbers

Moderators: Chem_Mod, Chem_Admin

Sophia Henry
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:36 am

No two electrons can have the same 4 quantum numbers

Postby Sophia Henry » Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:45 pm

Okay sorry last question about quantum numbers... I think it is just the concept that I am having trouble the most with understanding conceptually.

Why can't two electrons have the same four quantum numbers? I read while I was studying that electrons can't have the same four quantum numbers. How on earth does every electron have a different set of quantum numbers? That is my question. This doesn't make sense to me because wouldn't there have to be an unlimited amount of combinations of 4 numbers but wouldn't that not be possible? I understand what the quantum numbers represent and how they show the shell subshell and orientation and spin of electrons. I just don't understand this that electrons all have unique electron configurations?!

Daniel P 3J
Posts: 41
Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:22 am

Re: No two electrons can have the same 4 quantum numbers

Postby Daniel P 3J » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:01 am

While there are indeed many possible combinations of quantum numbers, the Pauli Exclusion Principle ensures that no two electrons in the same atom can have the same set of quantum numbers. This principle is essential for understanding the stability and behavior of electrons in atoms, as well as the structure of the periodic table.

Valeria Perez 3J
Posts: 82
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:21 pm

Re: No two electrons can have the same 4 quantum numbers

Postby Valeria Perez 3J » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:01 am

Every electron cannot have the same four quantum numbers because at the very least, if they are in the exact same orbital, they cannot be rotating in the same direction , therefore they will have at least one different quantum number. (The quantum number I am referring to is ms, which can have a value of +1/2 or -1/2)
Last edited by Valeria Perez 3J on Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:02 am, edited 1 time in total.

Amber Gimino 1F
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2023 11:52 am

Re: No two electrons can have the same 4 quantum numbers

Postby Amber Gimino 1F » Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:02 am

The 4 quantum numbers are the principle quantum number (n), the angular momentum quantum number (l), the magnetic quantum number (ml), and the spin magnetic quantum number (ms). These 4 quantum numbers essentially give the "address" of an electron and, in a given atom, no two electrons can have the same four quantum numbers. According to the Pauli exclusion principle, each orbital in an atom can only hold two electrons, each with opposite spin. We know that, depending on the atom, there can be 1 s-orbital, 3 p-orbitals, 5 d-orbitals, and 7 f-orbitals, and within each orbital there can only be two electrons (one electron that spins in the counterclockwise direction and one electron that spins in the clockwise direction) due to electron repulsion. For example, in an atom with a filled px-orbital, the px-orbital will contain one electron with a counterclockwise rotation (ms=1/2) and one electron with a clockwise rotation (ms=-1/2). Although these two electrons can have the same n, l, and ml, they differ in the value of the 4th quantum number, ms. Therefore, no two electrons in the same orbital can have the same 4 quantum numbers, but they can have up to three of the same quantum numbers.


Return to “Quantum Numbers and The H-Atom”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests