n, l ,ml, ms

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Abigail Menchaca_1H
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n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Abigail Menchaca_1H » Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:55 pm

I am confused on what to write for ms = ... I am not sure if we are supposed to pick -1/2, +1/2 or both or just how we get an answer for it

christabellej 1F
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby christabellej 1F » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:01 am

The magnetic spin of an electron can only be +1/2 or -1/2. This is because of the Pauli exclusion principle where there can only be two electrons per orbital, and that the electrons must be spin paired. So, one electron must go in an upwards spin (+1/2) and the other in a downwards spin (-1/2). As far as writing them out, you can choose to write either +1/2 or -1/2 as it doesn't really matter.

Eva Zhao 4I
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Eva Zhao 4I » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:03 pm

As mentioned, ms can be either +1/2 or -1/2, and it's pretty arbitrary unless the question specifically provides the spin. The most important thing to note is that no two electrons in the same atom can have the exact same four quantum numbers.

Eunice Nguyen 4I
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Eunice Nguyen 4I » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:06 pm

It doesn't really matter which one you pick necessarily, as long as they are opposite spins. So you can't have two +1/2 together, but rather one +1/2 and one -1/2.

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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby ThomasNguyen_Dis1H » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:15 pm

ms can only equal +/- 1/2. Each electron in the orbital can only take one of the values. For example, in a Pz orbital, two electrons can be in this orbital. These electrons can't have the same ms values so one must be +1/2 and one must be -1/2.

quresh3E
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby quresh3E » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:07 pm

If you write the electron configuration you can tell if there is a +1/2 or -1/2 spin.

Ashley Kim 3F
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Ashley Kim 3F » Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:08 pm

As everyone above mentioned, the only two possible values for ms are +½ and -½. In a quiz or test, the spin of the electron will most likely be easy to determine given the wording or information provided in the question, so I don't think you need to worry about it too much!

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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby 105289321 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:22 pm

It is either +1/2 or -1/2 depending on the spin of the valence electron in question

Annie Ye
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Annie Ye » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:55 pm

When the spin is up, the ms is +1/2 and when the spin is down it is -1/2

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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Kavya Immadi 3D » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:56 pm

Spin up is +1/2
Spin down is -1/2

Anokhi Patel 2B
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Anokhi Patel 2B » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:21 pm

Up spin is +1/2 and down spin -1/2

Gerald Bernal1L
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Gerald Bernal1L » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:28 pm

When asked to write the ms of a certain configuration you just have to pick one of them since each refers to one electron spinning one way. Since there is no definite way to know you can pick one, +1/2 being up spin and -1/2 being down spin.

Claire Grover 3G
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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby Claire Grover 3G » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:29 pm

I think it depends on which direction the electron is going (either up or down).

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Re: n, l ,ml, ms

Postby ABombino_2J » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:47 am

ms tells you if the electron is spin up or spin down. If it is the first time filling the orbital it is spin up. If you need to pair an electron it will be spin down.


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