Chapter 2 HW: #39  [ENDORSED]

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Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby Karla_Coronado_1J » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:08 am

Determine whether each of the following electron configurations represents the ground state or an excited state of the atom given.

I do not know how to go about this. May someone explain how to answer this question?

Thank you!
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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby Sylvia_Cai_3D » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:22 am

The answer is (d). The question is asking which electron configuration correctly corresponds to the element next to it. (a) is wrong because of Hund's Rule; due to e- repulsion, the e- should occupy different orbitals first. (b) is wrong because in each orbital, the up arrow spin should go in first before a down arrow spin. (c) is wrong because in the 2s orbital, it is missing a parallel spin to the up arrow. And finally, (d) is correct because the configuration correctly correlates with Hund's Rule and Pauli Exclusion Principle with the correct number of electrons.

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby Madeline_Foo_3J » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:38 pm

I understand why a) b) and c) are all wrong, but I'm confused about why the question asked if the configuration represents the ground state or the excited state when a) b) and c) don't follow Hund's rule?

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby Sarah_Heesacker_3B » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:38 pm

Madeline,
I was confused about that at first as well, but I think that they must follow Hund's Rule to be in the ground state. Since a, b, and c don't follow Hund's Rule, they are in the excited state. Applying Hund's Rule gives the lowest energy electron configuration, which is the ground state, so the ones that don't follow Hund's Rule are in a higher energy state and are therefore excited. I hope that makes sense!

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39  [ENDORSED]

Postby Chem_Mod » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:41 pm

Karla_Coronado_1H wrote:Determine whether each of the following electron configurations represents the ground state or an excited state of the atom given.

I do not know how to go about this. May someone explain how to answer this question?

Thank you!


Hi there!

Let's take another slow read of the question "Determine whether each of the following electron configurations represents the ground state or an excited state of the atom given.

This is not a multiple choice question... but the thought process used here is on the right track! In analyzing each of these configurations we should employ the aufbau principle, Hund's rule, and the Pauli's exclusion principle. In this circumstance, if the shown electron configuration violates any of these rules, then we know that it is in an excited state! (It is not technically an incorrect configuration, it is precisely an incorrect ground state configuration.

The answers are as follows...

(a) excited state
(b) excited state
(c) excited state
(d) ground state

Hope this helps!

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby Karla_Coronado_1J » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:48 am

Thank you to everyone who replied. This cleared things up.

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby RubyLake1F » Sat May 05, 2018 2:42 pm

Why is it that b) violates ground state expectations? Isn't it somewhat random whether an electron is spinning up or down at any given moment, so it should not necessarily be true that all of the three electrons in the p orbitals have to be spinning up?

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby Bianca Nguyen 1B » Sat May 05, 2018 3:29 pm

B) violates ground state expectations because of Hund’s rule. You must fill up electrons parallel to each other first (All up or all down first) because of electron repulsion, but I’m not completely sure what electron repulsion has to do with them all having to be parallel since they’re in different orbitals

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Re: Chapter 2 HW: #39

Postby haley f » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:55 pm

Karla_Coronado_1J wrote:Determine whether each of the following electron configurations represents the ground state or an excited state of the atom given.

I do not know how to go about this. May someone explain how to answer this question?

Thank you!


How is Pauli's exclusion principle seen on in these pictures?


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