Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

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Daniel-1G
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Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Daniel-1G » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:55 pm

Could someone explain to me why the electron configuration for Fe 3+ is not the same as Vanadium of [Ar]3d3 4s2 and is instead [Ar]3d5? Is this just an exception like copper that we should have memorized?

Armo_Derbarsegian_3K
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Re: Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Armo_Derbarsegian_3K » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:12 pm

Fe is [Ar]3d6 4s2
Fe2+ loses the 4s2
Fe3+ loses an electron from the d
so Fe3+ is [Ar]3d5

Not really an exception, just remember a full d/half full d will be much more stable(chromium/copper)

Alyssa_Wieand_2G
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Re: Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Alyssa_Wieand_2G » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:00 pm

When I work this out, I first write out the structure for the ground state configuration which would be [Ar] 3d^6 4s^2 and then I just take electrons out in the order that is written so Fe3+ would be [Ar]3d^5 since the 4s block has slightly lower energy and they are filled first. Hope this helps!

Rachel Wile 2D
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Re: Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Rachel Wile 2D » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:17 pm

You take electrons out of the 4s orbital, before you take them out of the 3d orbital, because it is lower energy to have them in the 3d orbital in comparison to the 4s.

Tyler_Honrada_1L
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Re: Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Tyler_Honrada_1L » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:25 am

How can you tell if the orbital has a lower energy level? Is it just something we have to memorize. I've heard Dr. Lavelle say this many times in lecture so is it just like something that's given?

Helen_Onuffer_1A
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Re: Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Helen_Onuffer_1A » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:32 am

I think that once you start filling the 3d orbital, it becomes lower energy than the 4s orbital. It's probably more complicated than that, but we haven't really learned all the details yet.

Jennah Muhammad 1H
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Re: Electron Configuration for Fe 3+

Postby Jennah Muhammad 1H » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:32 pm

on exams will we be required to find the ground state electron configuration using the noble gas notation? or will it require us to just write the general electron configuration


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