d orbital or s orbital first?

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d orbital or s orbital first?

Postby MichelleTran3I » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:51 pm

When do you know when to begin the electron configuration with the d orbital instead of the s orbital first?

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Re: d orbital or s orbital first?

Postby Deap Bhandal L1 S1J » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:12 pm

A d orbital with a lower n value will always go before an s orbital of a higher n value. For example, Titanium would be 3d^2 4s^2

Sophie Krylova 2J
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Re: d orbital or s orbital first?

Postby Sophie Krylova 2J » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:17 am

So is 3 d higher or lower in energy than 4 s?

Jessica Schirmer 1J
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Re: d orbital or s orbital first?

Postby Jessica Schirmer 1J » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:58 am

4s is lower in energy until there are e- in the 3d orbital (that's why you fill 4s first). Once there are e- in the 3d orbita,l the 4s orbital becomes higher in energy. What helped me understand this is the fact that once there are e- in the 3d orbital they provide "shielding" for the e- in the 4s orbital. Therefore you remove e- from the 4s orbital first when creating an ion.

Angel R Morales Dis1G
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Re: d orbital or s orbital first?

Postby Angel R Morales Dis1G » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:07 pm

The way I remembered it is that s comes before d if d has no electrons; once it does, d always comes before s.

Nehal Banik
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Re: d orbital or s orbital first?

Postby Nehal Banik » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:56 pm

Until you reach element 19 or 20, the S will generally come before d because it is in lower energy, once the d orbital starts to get filled up, it loses its energy and is less energy than the 4s orbital, for example, scandium would have the configuration of 3d13s2 if it was coming from Argon. Make sense?


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