4s and 3d

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Baoying Li 1B
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4s and 3d

Postby Baoying Li 1B » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:15 pm

Hi, can anyone explain why does 4s come before 3d since the energy level n=3 is lower than n=4? I know Professor Lavelle has explained this, but I am still confused.

Ronak Naik
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Re: 4s and 3d

Postby Ronak Naik » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm

Hi, when writing the electron configuration 3d actually comes first before 4s since 3d electrons are at a lower electron shell level.

Benjamin Feng 1B
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Re: 4s and 3d

Postby Benjamin Feng 1B » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:33 pm

For n<20 4s comes before 3d, as when the 3d orbital is empty, the energy of the orbital is higher. The reasoning of why the 2 switch when n>20 is becuase protons are added to the nucleus and electrons surrounding the nucleus. The various attractions and repulsions in the atoms cause the energies to shift around and they are not always constant.

Just know that everything up to Calcium will have 4s first and everything after has 3d first.

Emma Popescu 1L
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Re: 4s and 3d

Postby Emma Popescu 1L » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:22 am

The 4s is filled first because it is at a lower energy than 3d. However, Dr. Lavelle wants us to put them from lowest to highest energy level (3d and then 4s) because 4s is ionized first.

Jocelyn Thorp 1A
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Re: 4s and 3d

Postby Jocelyn Thorp 1A » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:22 pm

Emma Popescu 3D wrote:The 4s is filled first because it is at a lower energy than 3d. However, Dr. Lavelle wants us to put them from lowest to highest energy level (3d and then 4s) because 4s is ionized first.


ok so, 4s is filled first, and 3d is written first? thanks.

Emily Chirila 2E
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Re: 4s and 3d

Postby Emily Chirila 2E » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:26 pm

You should fill the shells in the order they appear on the PT, but write them in order of values of n. So you would fill 4s before 3d, but when you write the configuration, say for titanium, you would write [Ar] 3d2 4s2.


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